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From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells)
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During the past few days I have upgraded the astroweb exploder from
beta status to full production, and I encourage you to use it.  The
name "astroweb" is now in NRAO's global alias table, so

                astroweb@nrao.edu

now works and is the official address. I moved the archive to 

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/traffic/astroweb/

and added it to my monthly update daemon. The daemon ran at 00:01 EST
today (12 hours ago), and updated the "astroweb" archive files
properly.  The distribution list is still at

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/astroweb.dis

I expect that the astroweb mailing list will become much more
important if, as we expect and assume, a number of other people join
with us.

-Don

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Dear Andre,

Andre HECK writes:
 > In principle, I agree of course to collaborate with you and your fellows
 > although I have still to assess in which way I would have to change my
 > way of compiling these URLs and which impact this would have on an 
 > already saturated life.

I will be glad to have an opportunity to collaborate with you.
I have added your name to the distribution list of our Email exploder:

    astroweb@nrao.edu    (astroweb-request for administrative traffic)

This reply is via the exploder. The current content of the list is

dwells@nrao.edu (Don Wells)
Bob Jackson <jackson@stsci.edu>
adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Andre HECK <heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr>

 > .. A searchable facility (such as within the
 > databases) would allow to find the information faster than by just
 > scanning the existing list..

Recently Bob Jackson implemented an elegant search form for our merged
database. His resource list at STScI and mine at NRAO both have URLs
pointing to his service. I am very pleased with the operation of this
service. 

 > .. As you may have noticed, some URLs are
 > duplicated under different entries to make their identification easier..

Our format permits, and encourages, multiple names, and the text block
permits, and encourages, a more extensive explanation to help users
recognize the relevance of resources. Also, we allow multiple CATEGORY
codes, so that resources appear in more than one list when we present
lists classified by category.

 > Now, I just had a quick look at your own list..
 > .. What worries me (and there are about twenty years of data
 > compilation behind this statement) is how you will be able to keep your
 > information (comments and so on) on each entry updated. ..

We are worried about this problem too. We propose to try two
solutions: (1) Bob Jackson has constructed a program which tests the
URLs in our database and (2) the OWNER Email addresses in the database
will enable us to send the records to the owners periodically for
review. Initially we will depend on (1), because very few of the
resource records have OWNER fields. 

 > Enough for the time being. In conclusion, my reaction is positive.
 > You may point to my pages and even use the information with ad hoc
   ^^^^^^^                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > credit, but I shall need some clarification and thinking before
   ^^^^^^
 > fully committing myself. I'll be in touch.

Our database already contains resource records pointing to your lists.

The sentence above gives us permission to copy your resource records.
Unless you change your mind within the next few days, and tell me to
stop, I will merge your data with ours within about one week. I have
already converted and merged three databases, so I can estimate the
work involved (about six hours). I will add CATEGORY codes to your
records during the conversion.

With an additional hour or two of work, I will be able to compute an
emulation of your pages from the combined database. The "astro_info"
link in the header of the NRAO page points to a proof-of-concept
emulation of the ST-ECF page, which is similar in style to your CDS
resources page.

Your pages contain numerous resource records in two new categories,
physics and computer science. I expect to add CATEGORY codes 'physics'
and 'comp_sci'. Your personal anchor list will require yet another
code, probably to be 'personal'.

Obviously you (and everybody else) are welcome to use the combined
database in any way that you see fit. Currently the NRAO version is at

http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html (114586 bytes, Feb 27 18:35)

File yp_master is sorted by internet address. File yp_p_list contains
the same records, but sorted by protocol+name_string (the sort order
used by the STScI pages, currently yp_p_list.html separated into pages
by protocol).

The subdirectory 'astroweb' under directory 'www' (which is also
visible via anonFTP as /fits/www/astroweb) contains my files for
constructing and maintaining the database. Programs dtsort.awk,
dtsplit.awk, dtcheck.awk and dtnodd.awk, plus the Makefile, are the
key pieces of technology. They are visible via anonFTP, and I regard
them as completely public domain.

I designed these programs to be flexible, portable tools which can be
adapted by people at other organizations, such as you at CDS, to
produce resource lists with styles different from the style I
currently use. Already we have learned the lesson that there is no one
"right" style, that there are good reasons for the continued existence
of multiple styles and access techniques (such as Bob's search form).

In the end, the really important thing is to agree on a canonical
exchange format for database records. "The purpose of standardization
is to aid the creative craftsman, not to enforce the common mediocrity."

 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 > Prof. Andre HECK          -+-  *    Phone (direct)     +33-88.35.82.22
 > Observatoire Astronomique    *      Phone (Secretary)  +33-88.35.82.18
 > 11, rue de l'Universite   -+-   *   Fax (direct)       +33-88.49.12.55
 > F-67000 Strasbourg      *    -+-    Fax (Secretary)    +33-88.25.01.60
 > France               -+-   *    *   Telex              890506 starobs f
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 > Mosaic homepage URL:     http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Best regards,
Don

PS: You are the first person we have invited to join with us (Fionn
suggested it). Hans-Martin, Bob and I have agreed that we will invite
a second person, Anton Koekemoer (anton@mso.anu.edu.au); you should
look at http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html. Anton appears
to have copied records from other lists (possibly including your
lists), but he has also made independent discoveries. Exploration of
the URLs in his list-of-lists (at the end of his page) shows that the
construction of resource lists has become a cottage industry in the
astronomy community. I believe that we need to combine the efforts of
our whole community, and that is what our collaboration effort is all
about.

  Donald C. Wells         Associate Scientist         dwells@nrao.edu
                    http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells
  National Radio Astronomy Observatory                +1-804-296-0277
  520 Edgemont Road,   Charlottesville, Virginia       22903-2475 USA

From astroweb-request  Fri Mar  4 05:26:12 1994
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Hello, each month the folks at Merit NIC Services produce data
on NSFnet Backbone use.  Specifically, packet and byte counts are 
calculated for active ports.  I have extracted the counts for ftp-data,
gopher, www, and wais starting from December 1992 and made some 3-D
graphs.  Use the graphs as you like, but please retain the lower left 
corner information.   The graphs are available from:

http://www.gatech.edu/gvu/stats/NSF/merit.html

James Pitkow
<A HREF="http://www.gatech.edu/gvu/people/Masters/Pitkow.html">Pitkow</A>
Graphics, Visualization and Usability Center
Georgia Institute of Technology
pitkow@cc.gatech.edu



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From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: new WWW-to-WAIS gateway - did you see this?
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Beta Testers needed!

We are working on a new WWW-to-WAIS Gateway called WAISGATE.  We are
starting to play around with the user interface now that we have the
underlying plumbing working and would like comments and dreams on how this
might be done.  The software will continue to evolve over time.

Please try:
  http://server.wais.com/directory-of-servers.html
and:
  http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.www.html
  http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.wais.html
  http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.gopher.html

Note: WAISGATE requires a Web viewer that handles forms (such as Mosaic 2.x).

Features of WAISGATE:
 - Ability to access remote WAIS databases.
 - Multi-type documents with associated icons for each document format.
 - Table-lookup conversion from WAIS Types to MIME Content Types.
 - Fielded search for commercial WAIS databases.
 - Single-step processing: search of directory-of-servers, to database
   search, and to document retrieval.

Some examples of the use of WAISGATE are:

 1. Visit the directory-of-servers URL.  Enter the search term
"Smithsonian" and select the "smithsonian-pictures.src" database.  Next,
enter the search term: "gor*".  (The "*" is an example of using right
truncation.)  Select either the text, the thumbnail image, or the full
image documents for retrieval.

 2. To try out fielded search, use the URL's:
"http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.gopher.html",
"http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.wais.html", and
"http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.www.html".  
These are HTML pages for searching the Gopher, WAIS, and WWW newsgroup
archives, respectively, using the commercial WAIS server.  The "Complete
Text Search Terms" is where you may enter your WAIS question.  If you wish
to restrict your search to specific fields within the mail archive, such as
"subject" or "from", enter you search terms in the corresponding search
box.  When you have completed entering in your search terms, use the
"Submit Query" box to process the search.

Special thanks to Francois Schiettecatte and the Smithsonian Institution
for the use of the Smithsonian Pictures Database, and to Steven E. Brenner
for the Perl Library routines.  Thanks to NCSA for the very nice public
domain HTTP daemon and the associated icons.

This will run as a free service on the Web.  Please send comments to
waisgate@wais.com.

 - Your friends at WAIS Incorporated



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From: Sake Hogeveen <hogeveen@fys.ruu.nl> (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin
	Adorf))
Subject: XXIInd General Assembly of the IAU
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Dear Hans-Martin,

The Local Organzing Committee has started a W3 server for the XXIInd
General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union from 15-27
August 1994 in The Hague, The Netherlands.

We would appreciate it very much if you would be so kind as to
make the following reference in an obvious place in your W3 server:

<A HREF="http://iauwww.fys.ruu.nl:8888/iau.html">The XXIInd General
 Assembly of the International Astronomical Union.</A>

The alias `iauwww' was created only today, so it may take 24 hours
before the server is accessible from your site. However, you can have
a preview through URL: http://ruunb6.fys.ruu.nl:8888/iau.html. Please
make no reference to the latter URL, as we may have to move the server
to another machine in the coming months.

-- 
 Sake J. Hogeveen,
 Astronomical Institute, Utrecht University, Princetonplein 5,
 P.O. Box 80000, NL-3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands.
 Telephone: +31 (0)30 535227/5200, Fax: +31 (0)30 535201,
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Subject: Interpedia - from Jeff Foust
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Interpedia Status Report
1994 March 6
========================

- Discussion among members of the Interpedia Coordinating Committee (ICC)
  continued this week on establishing a decision-making structure similar
  to the RFD/CFV process used in creating Usenet newsgroups.  Several
  revisions, mostly minor, were made this week.

- The number and kinds of documents that will form the basis for the Interpedia
  were considered this week.  These documents include an official charter for
  the ICC, a mission statement, a list of goals and requirements, a plan for
  achieving these goals, and a timeline.  Discussion on this will likely 
  continue through this week.

- Jared Rhine established a World Wide Web (WWW) site for Interpedia 
  information, including the Interpedia FAQ.  The URL for this site is:
        http://www.hmc.edu/www/interpedia/


For more information on the Interpedia, feel free to subscribe to the
main Interpedia mailing list or any special topic mailing list (subscription
information available in the FAQ) or contact Jeff Foust <jfoust@mit.edu> for
information on joining the Interpedia Coordinating Committee.

-- 
Jeff Foust
EAPS Dept., MIT       |  "We'll really know the world is coming to an end
jeff@astron.mit.edu   |   when the Cubs and the Red Sox meet in the Series."
jfoust@mit.edu        |         -- Ken Brady, in rec.sport.baseball



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From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: brwosing WAIS directory of servers (from Brewster Kahle)
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

In article <itbcm.207@puknet.puk.ac.za> Marnewick, itbcm@puknet.puk.ac.za
writes:
> In the documentation the mention a WAIS-Server that is a database of 

If you are using the OS/2 interface it should have the directory of
servers source built in.  In fact all clients that i know of do this. 
The Directory of Servers is run by Thinking Machines on port 210 database
name: directory-of-servers.

You can use the web to browse it at
http://wais.com/directory-of-servers.html

-brewster



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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:04:25 +0100
To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU
From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: WAIS Inc. homepage
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

The Uniform Resource Locator for this document is:
http://server.wais.com/

<IMG SRC=/icons/waislogo3.gif><P><TITLE>This is the new
<strong>WAIS</strong> home page</TITLE>


  This is of course, under contruction.  If you have any ideas on what
should go in the <strong>WAIS home page</strong>, send mail to <strong>
www-ideas@wais.com</strong>.<P>

For access to the directory of servers WAISGATE (WAIS &lt;--&gt; WEB)
gateway, click <A
HREF="http://wais.com/directory-of-servers.html">here</A>.<P>

For access to the <strong>WAIS</strong> bibliography, click <A
HREF="http://wais.com/bibliography.html">here</A>.<P>

For access to our public ftp site, click <A
HREF="ftp://wais.com/pub">here</A>.<P>

For access to our public gopher site, click <A
HREF="gopher://wais.com/">here</A>.<P>


<ADDRESS>
Dan Aronson (dan@wais.com) / Information Services / WAIS Incorporated
</ADDRESS>




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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 17:06:38 +0100
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From: Arthur Secret <secret@hpwww.cern.ch> (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin
	Adorf))
Subject: Re: the WWW Virtual Library: Astronomy and Astrophysics
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

:> From adorf@eso.org Mon Mar  7 10:10 MET 1994
:> Return-Path: <adorf@eso.org>
:> Message-Id: <9403070911.AA17556@ns3.hq.eso.org>
:> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:11:20 +0100
:> To: Arthur Secret <secret@hpwww.cern.ch>
:> From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
:> Subject: Re: the WWW Virtual Library: Astronomy and Astrophysics
:> 
:> Arthur,
:> 
:> >Someone pointed out to me your nice document
:> >http://ecf.hq.eso.org/astro-resources.html ,
:> >
:> >saying it should become part of the WWW Virtual Library.
:> >
:> >Would you agree to maintain the Astronomy and Astrophysics part
:> >of the WWW VL ?
:> >
:> >I've written a document giving an idea of what the specifications of
:> >the WWW VL are at
:> >http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/DataSources/bySubject/Administration.html
:> >
:> >What do you think ?
:> 
:> Your similar comment/suggestion to Bob Jackson, Space Telescope Science
:> Institute, a while ago has instigated a coordination activity between him,
:> Don Wells, National Radio Astronomical Observatory, and myself. We have
:> agreed to share resources and to maintain our network resource pages in a
:> distributed, yet coordinated manner.
:> 
I forgot about this previous request!

:> I wonder what more would be involved when becoming an "official" WWW VL
:> maintainer. Has Bob Jackson declined?

No, he said he would get back to me. Then nothing happened, and I just forgot!
:> 
:> Cheers
:> Hans-Martin
:> 
:> PS: Haven't checked out the WWW VL specifications yet.

Tell me if you agree, and if so, send me a URL!


Cheers,

Arthur
--
       Arthur Secret,       phone:(41-22) 767-37-55     
Technical Student at CERN,   e-mail: secret@dxcern.cern.ch



:> maintainer. Has Bob Jackson decl




From astroweb-request  Tue Mar  8 04:40:18 1994
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... contain a lotsa information on the Internet. I did not check the
quality though.

-hma 



From astroweb-request  Tue Mar  8 14:07:05 1994
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To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:54:26 -1000
To: rpss@stsci.edu
From: pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Eric J. Pilger)
Subject: HTTP server

Please add an entry for our WWW server to your list of network resources.

Resource - NASA Infrared Telescope Facility WWW Home Page
URL      - http://irtf.ifa.hawaii.edu/
Port     - 80? - whatever the standard port is
Contents - various pieces of information about the observatory, access to
our FTP site

Resource   - IRTF FTP site
Address    - hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu
Directory  - /pub/IRTF/
Contents   - Manuals, Forms, Instrument information, Software tools

Thank you.


Eric Pilger
Systems Programmer
NASA Infrared Telescope Facility
pilger@ifa.hawaii.edu




From dwells  Tue Mar  8 22:28:35 1994
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To: astroweb
Subject: The 4 lists are merged
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

Dear friends,

Tonight I completed the first round of editing of the fully merged
database. I have edited all of the automatically-merged records which
contained the "similar" message. I have deleted many of the redundant
Gopher resources. I have repaired various URLs. I have added some
descriptive text. The result is now released into production, and all
of you are welcome to use http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html
(155 KB) as you see fit.

There are additional redundant records which need to be
merged/deleted. More descriptive text needs to be added to <DD>..</DD>
fields.  Classifications need to be checked/corrected. The URLs need
to pass through Bob's testing program. Resource reports which have
arrived in recent weeks need to be added.  I hope that the three of
you will join me in doing this work. I will be willing and able to
merge your revised resource records with the existing file (or else
you can run dtsort.awk to do it).

I recommend that we proceed with the invitation to Anton in Australia.
I will be willing and able to merge his database with ours.

I am willing and able to add code to compute emulations of the styles
of existing resource pages. I will be happy to advise/assist others if
they wish to do this work. 

I append the output from the final run. There are 577 resources in the
database; I expect that more than 500 of these are unique.

-Don

cd /fits/dwells/astroweb/
make -k all update install
rm -f yp_*.html
touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk  temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html;
cat merged.html  | dtsort.awk -v tail=temp_tail.html \
		-v keys=yp_keys.html -v sort=zone >yp_master.html
dtsort executed by dwells on fits.cv at Tue Mar  8 21:32:28 EST 1994
 577 resource records read.
   1 resource records edited:
	   2 cases of | |||
     The 'zone'-sort keys have been generated.
4510 pointer-moves done by shellsort.
   0 identical resource records deleted. (n=577)
   0   similar resource records  merged. (n=577)
   2 lines copied from temp_tail.html.
 577 resource records written.
dtcheck.awk <yp_master.html
 598 blocks checked,    0 match failures.
ls -lg merged.html yp_master.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr   154854 Mar  8 21:31 merged.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr   155374 Mar  8 21:33 yp_master.html
touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk  temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html;
dtsplit.awk -v style=nrao  <yp_master.html
 577 resource records from input
  13 records >> temp_radio.html
  37 records >> temp_optical.html
  20 records >> temp_space.html
   8 records >> temp_solar.html
   5 records >> temp_survey.html
   5 records >> temp_weather.html
  55 records >> temp_center.html
  14 records >> temp_infosys.html
  28 records >> temp_dept.html
   4 records >> temp_society.html
  26 records >> temp_agency.html
  59 records >> temp_software.html
   1 records >> temp_document_tools.html
  14 records >> temp_preprint.html
  19 records >> temp_abstracts.html
  12 records >> temp_full_text.html
  15 records >> temp_bibliography.html
   4 records >> temp_library.html
   3 records >> temp_other_library.html
   5 records >> temp_people.html
 106 records >> temp_personal.html
   2 records >> temp_jobs.html
   7 records >> temp_meetings.html
  11 records >> temp_newsgroup.html
   4 records >> temp_astroweb.html
  21 records >> temp_other_astronomy.html
  28 records >> temp_pictures.html
  20 records >> temp_protocols.html
   7 records >> temp_misc.html
   9 records >> temp_earth.html
  33 records >> temp_physics.html
  20 records >> temp_comp_sci.html
   1 records >> temp_cds.html
 ----------------------------------------------------
   1 unrecognized category codes:
	   1 cases of 'deleted'
 ----------------------------------------------------
          temp_radio.html >> yp_observing.html
        temp_optical.html >> yp_observing.html
          temp_space.html >> yp_observing.html
          temp_solar.html >> yp_observing.html
         temp_survey.html >> yp_observing.html
        temp_weather.html >> yp_observing.html
         temp_center.html >> yp_data.html
        temp_infosys.html >> yp_data.html
           temp_dept.html >> yp_organization.html
        temp_society.html >> yp_organization.html
         temp_agency.html >> yp_organization.html
       temp_software.html >> yp_software.html
 temp_document_tools.html >> yp_software.html
       temp_preprint.html >> yp_library.html
      temp_abstracts.html >> yp_library.html
      temp_full_text.html >> yp_library.html
   temp_bibliography.html >> yp_library.html
        temp_library.html >> yp_library.html
  temp_other_library.html >> yp_library.html
         temp_people.html >> yp_people.html
       temp_personal.html >> yp_people.html
           temp_jobs.html >> yp_people.html
       temp_meetings.html >> yp_people.html
      temp_newsgroup.html >> yp_people.html
       temp_astroweb.html >> yp_astroweb.html
temp_other_astronomy.html >> yp_astroweb.html
       temp_pictures.html >> yp_pictures.html
      temp_protocols.html >> yp_misc.html
           temp_misc.html >> yp_misc.html
          temp_earth.html >> yp_misc.html
        temp_physics.html >> yp_misc.html
       temp_comp_sci.html >> yp_misc.html
            temp_cds.html >> yp_misc.html
ls -lg temp_*.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr      122 Mar  8 21:33 temp_tail.html
ls -lg yp_*.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr     4421 Mar  8 21:34 yp_astronomy.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr     6402 Mar  8 21:34 yp_astroweb.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    23242 Mar  8 21:34 yp_data.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    63317 Mar  8 21:33 yp_keys.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    27138 Mar  8 21:34 yp_library.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr   155374 Mar  8 21:33 yp_master.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    20684 Mar  8 21:34 yp_misc.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    34476 Mar  8 21:34 yp_observing.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    15110 Mar  8 21:34 yp_organization.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    24285 Mar  8 21:34 yp_people.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr     7351 Mar  8 21:34 yp_pictures.html
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr    19410 Mar  8 21:34 yp_software.html
touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk  temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html;
cat yp_master.html | dtsort.awk -v tail=temp_tail.html \
		-v keys=yp_p_keys.html -v sort=protocol \
		>yp_p_list.html
dtsort executed by dwells on fits.cv at Tue Mar  8 21:34:43 EST 1994
 577 resource records read.
   0 resource records edited:
     The 'protocol'-sort keys have been generated.
4872 pointer-moves done by shellsort.
   0 identical resource records deleted. (n=577)
   0   similar resource records  merged. (n=577)
   2 lines copied from temp_tail.html.
 577 resource records written.
dtcheck.awk <yp_p_list.html
 588 blocks checked,    0 match failures.
touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk  temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html;
cat temp_tail.html head_astro_info_0.html \
			>head_astro_info.html
dtsplit.awk -v style=stecf <yp_master.html
 577 resource records from input
  14 records >> temp_preprint.html
  19 records >> temp_abstracts.html
  20 records >> temp_bibliography.html
  12 records >> temp_full_text.html
   7 records >> temp_meetings.html
   5 records >> temp_weather.html
   4 records >> temp_society.html
 104 records >> temp_radio.html
  95 records >> temp_center.html
  28 records >> temp_pictures.html
  60 records >> temp_software.html
   5 records >> temp_people.html
   2 records >> temp_jobs.html
  41 records >> temp_protocols.html
 ----------------------------------------------------
   8 unrecognized category codes:
	  20 cases of 'comp_sci'
	   1 cases of 'cds'
	  11 cases of 'newsgroup'
	   9 cases of 'earth'
	   7 cases of 'misc'
	 106 cases of 'personal'
	   1 cases of 'deleted'
	  33 cases of 'physics'
 ----------------------------------------------------
       temp_preprint.html >> yp_astro_info.html
      temp_abstracts.html >> yp_astro_info.html
   temp_bibliography.html >> yp_astro_info.html
      temp_full_text.html >> yp_astro_info.html
       temp_meetings.html >> yp_astro_info.html
        temp_weather.html >> yp_astro_info.html
        temp_society.html >> yp_astro_info.html
          temp_radio.html >> yp_astro_info.html
         temp_center.html >> yp_astro_info.html
       temp_pictures.html >> yp_astro_info.html
       temp_software.html >> yp_astro_info.html
         temp_people.html >> yp_astro_info.html
           temp_jobs.html >> yp_astro_info.html
      temp_protocols.html >> yp_astro_info.html
dtnodd.awk <yp_astro_info.html >temp_astro_info.html
 468 blocks read
 241 <DD>...</DD> segments deleted
mv temp_astro_info.html yp_astro_info.html
mv merged.html merged_save.html
rm -f merged.html 
touch merged.html 
# cp -p yp_master.html merged.html
cp -p yp_p_list.html merged.html
ls -lg merged.html 
-rw-r--r--  1 dwells   aipspgmr   155009 Mar  8 21:35 merged.html
rm -f ../yp_*.html
cp -p yp_*.html ..

Compilation finished at Tue Mar  8 21:37:00

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From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells)
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To: jackson@stsci.edu
Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU
Subject: Re: [pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server]
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Bob, etal.,

> Resource - NASA Infrared Telescope Facility WWW Home Page
> URL      - http://irtf.ifa.hawaii.edu/

What is being done with these reports of new resources? Are they being
added to any database anywhere? If "yes", in what format, and are they
accessible? 

-Don

From astroweb-request  Thu Mar 10 03:31:07 1994
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	["295" "Thu" "10" "March" "1994" "09:30:54" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "12" "Encyclopedia Britannica on-line!" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U    Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 10   12/295   " thread-indent "\"Encyclopedia Britannica on-line!\"\n") nil]
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        fmurtagh@eso.org (Fionn Murtagh)
From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: Encyclopedia Britannica on-line!
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

The Encyclopeadia Britannica 15th edition is available as beta release on-line:

        http://www.eb.com/eb.htm

The WWW node contains public and "private" files, and, as you might
suspect, one has to be registered to gain access to the private ones. 

The URL above is public.

Hans-Martin



From astroweb-request  Thu Mar 10 03:59:59 1994
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Archive-Name:
auto/sci.geo.meteorology/New-WWW-Server-at-the-FU-Berlin-Meteorology

ANNOUNCEMENT

The Department of Meteorology at the Free University of Berlin is proud
to announce its WWW server. We offer an index of sources for meteorological
data on the Internet sorted by continent, manner of data and server-type.

In addition we provide weather observations from Berlin and Meteosat pictures
received from the University of Nottingham. For users from the FU Berlin
we also offer latest radar images. 

Other documents contain information about the met-stud mailing list and 
we have links to other servers which have interesting documents available.

The entry point is
  http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/
We have an page in English at
  http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/english/

Comments, suggestions and corrections should be sent to 
  www@www.met.fu-berlin.de

                                      Axel Fraedrich, Dennis Schulze
                                      www@www.met.fu-berlin.de
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Institut fuer Meterologie   Hamrun is a town on Malta - very pleasant
FU Berlin                           place on the 2nd Sunday of August 
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From astroweb-request  Thu Mar 10 04:05:28 1994
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The Uniform Resource Locator for this document is:
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From: Salim.Ansari@mail.esrin.esa.it (Salim Ansari - DPE/IE) (by way of
	adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf))
Subject: ESIS resource list
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Hyperlink to SPACE RESOURCES:

  <a href="http://mesis.esrin.esa.it/html/esis_resource.html">Space
   Research on the Internet</a>

-hma



From dwells  Thu Mar 10 11:45:32 1994
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From: dwells (Don Wells)
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Subject: Re: Current results (such as they are)
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Dear AstroWeb friends,

Today Bob sent me, by Email, his current working file, which contains
revisions to the previous database plus new resource records. This
file contains only the HTTP URLs from the original database.

I edited my Makefile so that it concatenates Bob's 52_KB file with my
155_KB file, and processes the result. This is our first real test of
the idea of combining changes from concurrent editing.  The relevant
statistics are:

 701 resource records read.
  44 identical resource records deleted. (n=657)
  63   similar resource records  merged. (n=594) 2 multiple, 12 somebody
 594 resource records written.

Of these 594 records, 577 were previously in my database: the tools
have inserted 17 resource records which Bob added recently. 

The 12 "somebody" cases are special. I added dummy OWNER fields to
many records in my copy of the database after Bob acquired his copy of
it, and so there were meaningless mergers in my first trial. I added
logic to detect and ignore those cases.

The 63 "merged" records in the 594-record database contain various
changes which Bob and I have introduced (in some cases both of us made
changes to records). In general, automatic logic cannot combine the
information in these merged records -- we must hand-edit them. I will
do this during the next few days.

I will be delighted to accept additional resource records coded in the
exchange format.

-Don

PS: I have added Daniel Egret to the astroweb.dis mailing list because
he is working with Andre on the CDS implementations. 

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From: dwells (Don Wells)
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We agreed to issue an invitation to Anton Koekemoer at MSSSO to join
our collaboration.  I issued the previous invitation, somebody else
should do this one.  Hans-Martin?

-Don

From astroweb-request  Fri Mar 11 03:10:55 1994
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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 09:10:40 +0100
To: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (Anton Koekemoer)
From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: invitation
Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU
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Dear Anton,

I'm contacting you on behalf of a consortium consisting of Don Wells
(NRAO), Bob Jackson (STScI) and aa growing number of others. We are trying
to coordinate the collection of astronomical resources on the Internet. A
mail exploder  astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu exists to inform the members of
the consortium about new developments.

We have agreed upon a common interchange format. (It's an .html file.) Don
has created tools to merge conforming resource lists. Bob has created a
tool for checking the validity of resources.

Since you are a major Australian collector we should like to invite you to
join the consortium. If you agree, Don would be allowed to merge your
resource files with his master list and you would be permitted to re-import
the augmented resource list(s).

Would you be interested?

Cheers
Hans-Martin 



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<DT> <A HREF="http://www.physics.mcmaster.ca/"> McMaster University's
Department of Physics and Astronomy</A> 
<DD> Contains information about their faculty, research, facilities 
and graduate programme.




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From: <pdierckx@eso.org> (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf))
Subject: Texinfo
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There is a texi2html converter of which the man-page is the following :

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TEXI2HTML(1)             USER COMMANDS               TEXI2HTML(1)



NAME
     texi2html - a Texinfo to HTML converter

SYNOPSIS
     texi2html [options] file

     texi2html -check [-verbose] files

DESCRIPTION
     Texi2html converts the given Texinfo file to a set  of  HTML
     files.  It  tries  to  handle  most  of Texinfo commands. It
     creates hypertext links for cross-references, footnotes...

     It  also  tries  to  add  links  from  a  reference  to  its
     corresponding  entry  in  the  bibliography (if any). It may
     also handle a glossary (see the -glossary option).

     Texi2html creates several files depending on the contents of
     the Texinfo file and on the chosen options (see FILES).

     The HTML files created by texi2html are closer to  TeX  than
     to  Info,  what's  why texi2html convert @iftex sections and
     not @ifinfo ones.

OPTIONS
     -check      Check the given file and give the  list  of  all
                 things  that  may be Texinfo commands.  This may
                 be used to check the output of texi2html to find
                 the  Texinfo commands that have been left in the
                 HTML file.

     -glossary   Use the section named 'Glossary' to build a list
                 of terms and put links in the HTML document from
                 each term toward its definition.

     -invisible name
                 Use name to create invisible destination anchors
                 for  index  links.  This  is  a workaround for a
                 known bug of many WWW browsers,  including  xmo-
                 saic.

     -menu       Show the Texinfo  menus;  by  default  they  are
                 ignored.

     -split_chapter
                 Split the output into several  HTML  files  (one
                 per main section: chapter, appendix...).

     -split_node Split the output into several  HTML  files  (one
                 per node).

     -usage      Print usage instructions,  listing  the  current




TEXI2HTML(1)             USER COMMANDS               TEXI2HTML(1)



                 available command-line options.

     -verbose    Give a verbose output.  Can  be  used  with  the
                 -check option.

FILES
     By default texi2html creates the following files (foo  being
     the name of the Texinfo file):

     foo_toc.html    The table of contents.

     foo.html        The document's contents.

     foo_foot.html   The footnotes (if any).

     When used with the -split option, it creates  several  files
     (one  per  chapter  or  node), named foo_n.html (n being the
     indice of the  chapter  or  node),  instead  of  the  single
     foo.html file.

VARIABLES
     texi2html  predefines   the   following   variables:   html,
     texi2html.

AUTHOR
     Lionel Cons, CERN CN/DCI/UWS, Lionel.Cons@cern.ch

COPYRIGHT
     This program is the intellectual property  of  the  European
     Laboratory  for Particle Physics (known as CERN). No guaran-
     tee whatsoever is provided by CERN. No liability  whatsoever
     is  accepted  for  any  loss or damage of any kind resulting
     from any defect or inaccuracy in this information or code.

     CERN, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland

SEE ALSO
     GNU Texinfo Documentation Format, HyperText Markup  Language
     (HTML), World Wide Web (WWW).

BUGS
     This program does not understand all Texinfo commands (yet).

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From astroweb-request  Fri Mar 11 07:39:37 1994
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Hi,

can anyone please point out to me a working example of how to set up a
Usenet news reader from Mosaic?

I tried <a href="news:sci.astro.hubble"> ... </a> and got the list of
articles. However when clicking any of these items I get an error message
saying 

430 No article by message-id <...>, sorry.

where the ellipsis ... indicates something like 2kvviclNNshh@lanews.la.asu.edu

Hans-Martin



From astroweb-request  Fri Mar 11 11:04:00 1994
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Try accessing 

        http://www.cs.colorado.edu/home/mcbryan/WWWW.html

and search e.g. for astronomy in titles. Returns 33 entries, Number 2 is
Don Well's astro resource page.

Hans-Martin



From astroweb-request  Fri Mar 11 14:17:02 1994
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Hi,

I am writing because I would like to have our Web server added to your
Astronomy Resources on the Internet page.  Our URL is:

http://bradbury.nrl.navy.mil/



It is the server for the Backgrounds Data Center at the Naval Research
Laboratory in Washington, D.C.  We archive some BMDO data.  In
particular, right now we have some far ultra-violet astronomy data
available on-line through our server (with more data to come soon).
If there is any other information you would like regarding our server,
please let me know.

Thanks,

Dave Becker

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Subject: URL=file://uicvm.cc.uic.edu/ ?!?
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Dear friends,

The master database contains this record:

<DT>
<A HREF="file://uicvm.cc.uic.edu/">
Statistical Analysis System Software
</A>
<!-- CATEGORY software -->
</DT>

Bob's URL-validation program complained about this URL.  It is a
VM-CMS system which has a peculiar style of FTP.  In particular, it
does not have a default directory when you log in, so you can't do a
'dir' command. This means that you cannot find out the directories in
order to do a 'cd'! 

I don't remember putting this record in the database.
Do any of you know anything about it?

-Don

From astroweb-request  Mon Mar 14 01:30:52 1994
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From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) (by way of adorf@eso.org
	(Hans-Martin Adorf))
Subject: Re:  invitation
Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU

Dear Hans-Martin,

        Thanks very much for your invitation; I'd be most interested in joining
the consortium as well as being added to the email exploder. The tools you
mentioned sound very useful in maintaining up-to-date versions of these lists.

        Perhaps it would be useful if I told you the story of why I initially
created the list - it started off as a hotlist that grew too big :). While the
STScI and NRAO lists were in no way incomplete, I found that I needed a concise
list of places, not sorted by the type of service (http, ftp, gopher, wais)
since these often mean duplications and they also change. Initially all the
places were simply listed alphabetically and not by country, although similar
names such as NRAO/MRAO mean that country-sorting is rather useful. I also
thought long and hard about separating the list into optical/radio/other, but
decided that since many institutions do multi-waveband research (many people,
in fact) such distinctions may be hazy and therefore I never did this. Since
then, Don Wells sorted his list in that way and the classifications have turned
out to be somewhat more straightforward than I'd imagined. My own distinction
between 'telescopes' and 'observatories' is also rather indefinite; basically a
'telescope' is a place where the permanent residents are mainly technical and
support staff and all observers are temporary, while 'observatories' are closer
to institutions in that they have permanent academic research staff. Somewhat
semantic I guess. I've not sorted the telescopes by country since many of the
sites have multi-national telescopes as well as multiple telescopes belonging
to different countries. Even telescope location is difficult with things such
as EVN.

        I would be very interested in participating in any discussions
currently being held regarding astronomy information on the net, since I feel
that the current lists all have their own particular merits. Would it also be
possible for me to find somewhere a summary of the email discussions to date?

                                                cheers,
                                                 - anton.




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From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html
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Friends,

since a few days I can't access this list of astronomy resources any more.
Does anyone of you know whether the server is simply down (unlikeliy) or
whether this resource list has been retracted?

Hans-Martin



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Hans-Martin:
> http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html
> since a few days I can't access this list of astronomy resources any more.
> Does anyone of you know whether the server is simply down (unlikeliy) or
> whether this resource list has been retracted?

Try  http://kudzu.cnidr.org/astronomy.html
It works for me...

Daniel

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From: dwells (Don Wells)
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To: astroweb
Subject: Re:  invitation
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Dear Anton (etal.),

anton koekemoer) (by way of adorf@eso.org
	(Hans-Martin Adorf) writes:
 > Dear Hans-Martin,
 > Thanks very much for your invitation; I'd be most interested in joining
 > the consortium as well as being added to the email exploder. ..
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                         DONE. current list is:

Don Wells         <dwells@nrao.edu>
Bob Jackson       <jackson@stsci.edu>
Hans-Martin Adorf <adorf@eso.org>
Andre HECK        <heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr>
Daniel Egret      <egret@simbad.u-strasbg.fr>
anton koekemoer   <anton@mso.anu.edu.au>

 > ... Would it also be
 > possible for me to find somewhere a summary of the email
 >    discussions to date? 

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/traffic/astroweb/

This directory contains all of the traffic transmitted by the astroweb
Email exploder since its creation about six weeks ago. Much other
discussion occurred in private Email. 

                -*-

I am very pleased that you accepted our invitation, Anton.  I am
impressed by your list, especially by your list of lists and your
'observing schedule' category, which is not represented in any of the
four lists already in our master database. I agree that our multiple
styles are all valid. I also agree that it is often hard to decide
what are the appropriate classification categories.

Our current master merged resource list is

    http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html (AKA yp_topzone.html)

You are welcome to use the master list in any way you see fit.
It is the combination of four lists: STScI, ST-ECF, NRAO and CDS.
The format of the master was agreed in the first negotiation of the
group, about six weeks ago. It is most similar (although not
identical) to the STScI style. I transformed the four original files
into the agreed exchange format; my fingers are now well-trained, and
will be willing and able to translate your list too.

The fact that we have a standard format for the database, in HTML,
does not mean that presentations of the data must be in the same
format. For example, page 

    http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_astro_info.html

is most of the records in the database formatted in a style which is
very similar to Hans-Martin's ST-ECF list. This page was computed by
the 'stecf' option of the Makefile

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/Makefile

which invokes program

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/dtsplit.awk

plus programs dtsort.awk and dtnodd.awk in the same directory. You
are, of course, welcome to use this software in any way that you see
fit. You are also welcome to invent new programs!

The fact that there is currently a unique master file does not
necessarily mean that there must be only one master file. The
important thing is the standard exchange format for resource records.
Program dtsort.awk was designed to merge resource lists. The idea is
that two files can be concatenated (with Unix 'cat') and dtsort.awk
will sort the concatenated file and will delete duplicate records.
This means that multiple people can edit the same file, each working
on their own copy of it, and that each can independently collect and
merge the files maintained by other people.

Regards,
Don

  Donald C. Wells         Associate Scientist         dwells@nrao.edu
                    http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells
  National Radio Astronomy Observatory                +1-804-296-0277
  520 Edgemont Road,   Charlottesville, Virginia       22903-2475 USA

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Friends,

if your time allows, please have a look at the new ESO information service
under construction: http:/www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

Comments welcome.

Hans-Martin



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Anton,

anton koekemoer writes:
 > .. You may feel free
 > to take my list and incorporate it with what you currently have, ..

I have placed a copy of your page in my working area and will begin to
edit it. The process will take a few days, perhaps a week. I will post
to 'astroweb' when I have merged your data with ours.

 > .. I
 > would suspect that by this stage I'd have very few new resources to add.. 

That is not what I expect. You were invited to join us because several
of us looked at your list and saw data that we knew we didn't already
have.  Just from inspection of your list and from my knowledge of the
current master list, I expect at least 50 new records and will not be
surprised if the number is over 100. The reason that our current list
has 569 records is because it was made from *four* lists. Each merger
added 100+ records. I interpret these facts to mean that none of us
approached completeness, and that the merged list is still
incomplete. My present guess is that with our combined efforts our
master list will reach ~1000 records within six months. Not only did
we add records, we each added categories! You are continuing that
pattern with your schedule and lists-of-lists categories. Also, our
styles are subtly different, and that is also valuable.

 > .. URL http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html - is this
 > the current up-to-date mega-list? ..

Yes. I renamed the files several days ago, but for backwards
compatibility I aliased 'yp_master' to 'yp_topzone', one of the three
sort orders which are provided:

    yp_topzone.html		keys=URLs in "JANET" order
    yp_protoname.html		keys=protocol+name
    yp_name.html		keys=name

Currently I edit a file which is in the 'protoname' order, but I can
change that easily if some other order would be more convenient. Also,
it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the
files in 

    file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/

especially the Makefile and the dt*.awk programs. This directory is
where I work on the database. You are welcome to use the Makefile and
programs for any purpose you wish. I hope that you will find the bugs,
add new features, and produce better programs in whatever language you
prefer.

-Don

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Don Wells writes:
> ...
> it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the
> files in 
>  
>     file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/

Unfortunately this URL doesn't work for me; one that does is:

      file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/

(by looking at the anon ftp tree) - is this the same one? It has all the
relevant files. I've copied the Makefile and been playing with it and the awk
scripts, which are all very nice. (- by the way is it possible please to put
the file /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk in the astroweb directory as well?)

What's the current procedure for adding new features to (and removing bugs
from) the Makefile and awk scripts - is there an anon ftp 'incoming area' where
the most recent Makefile and awk scripts can be put/got by any of us, or is
there one maintainer (Don?) who takes suggestions and modifies the files, or
incorporates our new files into the system. Similarly for new sites - could we
all add them to yp_protoname.html, or do we just advertise their existence on
this email exploder?

I may well start looking at making an 'MSSSO' style - it could consist of a
list of one-liners, a bit like what I've had till now (listing homepage, ftp,
gopher access after the name of each site), but adding the feature that
clicking on the name of a site brings up its descriptive paragraph. It may
serve as a kind of index. All the raw data for it would come (currently) from
yp_protoname.html, I'll try to integrate it with the current scheme of things.

						cheers,
						 - anton.

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anton koekemoer writes:
 > Don Wells writes:
 > > it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the
 > > files in 
 > >     file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/
 > Unfortunately this URL doesn't work for me; one that does is:
 >       file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/

Sigh... you are correct. The FTP path must include '/fits', whereas
the HTTP path is rooted at /fits/. 

 > .. please.. put
 > the file /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk in the astroweb directory..

DONE.

 > .. procedure for adding new features to (and removing bugs
 > from) the Makefile and awk scripts..

No procedure -- I merely hope that you will put your code with
improvements in a place where I can see it!  At the moment I see no
reason for formality.  If you are able to execute the code on your
computer, I suggest that you do so. If you make improvements, or if
you invent other programs (perhaps in other languages), tell
'astroweb' about them.

 > .. Similarly for new sites - could we
 > all add them to yp_protoname.html, or do we just advertise their
 > existence on  > this email exploder?

IMHO, if we try to maintain one unique master file at a central site
it will lead to frustration. 

The strategy that I have been advocating, and which was the basis of
the design of the AWK programs, is that there will be multiple master
files, at multiple sites, all in the same format, and with many
identical resource records. Many (all?) of the consortium sites will
maintain copies of the master file, and will read the master files
from the other sites periodically and merge changes with their own
changes. If you maintain your own yp_protoname, and make it available
via anonFTP, I will code a crontab FTP daemon that will fetch your
file every day and will compare it against the previous file to
generate a report for me on changes you have made. You won't need to
tell me by Email --- my daemon will tell me! It will also tell me
about changes made by other consortium members. I can watch such
reports to decide for myself when there are enough interesting changes
to justify taking the time to integrate the changes into my own copy
of the master file. One great advantage of this strategy is that each
of us will be independently reviewing the changes, correcting the
errors, and taking personal responsibility for all of the
information. I.e., this design implies distributed quality control, no
single point of failure.

My suggestion of a daily FTP daemon is not theoretical --- I have had
such a daemon running for six months to fetch "Series-7" earth
rotation reports from the US Naval Observatory. The script differences
successive retrieved files to detect the weekly editions of the report
(which usually are issued on Thursdays). The program is robust against
a variety of failure modes. I know that Bob has some similar
technology, because my httpd log shows that he is fetching my master
file every day. I append my IERS daemon (coded in the Bourne shell
language) for your amusement.

 > .. an 'MSSSO' style - it could consist of a
 > list of one-liners, .. (listing homepage, ftp,
 > gopher access after the name of each site.. adding.. feature..
 > clicking.. brings up... descriptive paragraph.

This is exactly the kind of innovation that I have been anticipating.
Bob's searchable version is another (it is significantly better than a
plain WAIS server). "The purpose of standardization is to aid the
creative craftsman, not to enforce the common mediocrity."

 > .. raw data for it.. > yp_protoname.html..

Right. In the opening round of negotiations we agreed on an exchange
format. I argued that it should be HTML, mainly so that Mosaic can
display the files directly. I asserted that records can be parsed in
HTML about as easily as in any other language. My AWK programs are
parsing the resource records in a variety of ways. Rearranging the
data into an entirely different style will be quite practical.

-Don

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- iers_s7_update.sh -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
#!/bin/sh
#
# iers_s7_update.sh -- a shell script to fetch the latest IERS report
#                        D.Wells, NRAO-CV, October1993.
#
# set environment variable EDITOR to your favorite editor, then
# execute "crontab -e" and insert a line similar to this one:
# 19	5	* * 2-6	/fits/dwells/bin/iers_s7_update.sh
# which will cause the crontab daemon to run the script as the owner
# at 05:19am on days 2 (Tuesday) through 6 (Saturday). The current
# crontab can always be reviewed by issuing command "crontab -l". If
# the script fails it will Email an error report to $OWNER.
#
# The following command turn on debugging of shell script.
#set -x
#
NUMSAVE=9
#
FTPHOST=maia.usno.navy.mil
FTPUSER=anonymous
FTPPASS='vlba_cx@nrao.edu'
FTPPATH=/ser7/
FTPFILE=ser7
FTPCLASS=.dat
FTPFULL=$FTPPATH$FTPFILE$FTPCLASS
#
DESTPATH=$HOME/ser7/
DESTFILE=$FTPFILE
DESTCLASS=$FTPCLASS
DESTFULL=$DESTPATH$DESTFILE$DESTCLASS
LOGFILE=$DESTPATH$DESTFILE.log
OWNER=dwells
#
echo "`date` $0" 				>>$LOGFILE
rm -f $DESTPATH$DESTFILE.prv
ftp -n $FTPHOST 				>>$LOGFILE 2>&1 <<!
user $FTPUSER $FTPPASS
dir $FTPFULL
get $FTPFULL $DESTFULL.tmp
quit
!
if [ ! -f $DESTFULL.tmp ]
then
#---------------------------------------------------------------
MESSAGE="Shell-script $0\
failed to fetch file ftp://$FTPHOST$FTPFULL"
/usr/ucb/mail -s "$0 ERROR." $OWNER <<!
$MESSAGE
!
echo "$MESSAGE" 				>>$LOGFILE
rm -f $DESTFULL.tmp
else
#---------------------------------------------------------------
# A new copy of the file was fetched:
echo "" >>$DESTFULL.tmp 
diff $DESTFULL.tmp $DESTFULL >$DESTFULL.dif
if [ -s $DESTFULL.dif ]
then
	# shift the names of the saved files:
	mv $DESTFULL $DESTFULL.0
	I=$NUMSAVE
	while true
	do
		IP=`expr $I - 1`
		if [ -f $DESTFULL.$IP ]
		then
			mv -f $DESTFULL.$IP $DESTFULL.$I
		fi
		I=$IP
		if [ "$I" -eq 0 ]
		then
			break
		fi
	done
	mv -f  $DESTFULL.tmp $DESTFULL
	ls -lg $DESTFULL			>>$LOGFILE
else
	echo "	<new file identical to old>"	>>$LOGFILE
fi
rm -f  $DESTFULL.dif $DESTFULL.tmp
#
#     +--------------------------+
#     | do something useful here |
#     +--------------------------+
fi
#---------------------------------------------------------------
# Filter and truncate the logfile for this daemon:
awk '((NF>0)&&($1!~/pattern1/)&&($1!~/pattern2/))' $LOGFILE \
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rm -f $LOGFILE
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Don Wells writes:
> 
>      ... If you maintain your own yp_protoname, and make it available
> via anonFTP, I will code a crontab FTP daemon that will fetch your
> file every day and will compare it against the previous file to
> generate a report for me on changes you have made...

Sounds good. How about doing this for all the files in the astroweb directory.
I've now got my anon ftp set up, take a look at the URL

file://mso.anu.edu.au/pub/anton/astroweb/

- One addition I've made is to add the UT date of last modification to the top
of scripts. Plus a couple of other changes. I'll also maintain two directories,
the final 'production' one in the anon ftp area and a 'develop' one elsewhere.
It may also be useful to keep our astroweb directories as single tarfiles,
putting them in the same ftp directory as the astroweb/ directory.

Just for reference, our HTTP area is not the same as our anon ftp area (due to
machine load considerations) although I'll keep identical http files in both
areas. The difference is that the anon ftp area will have all the extra astroweb
stuff as well (Makefile, etc). For Mosaic stuff, use URLs along the lines of:

http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/www/

						cheers,
						 - anton
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I wrote:
> - One addition I've made is to add the UT date of last modification to the top
> of scripts ...

Just a clarification - by "scripts" I'm referring to the awk scripts and
Makefile, not the html databases since getdate.awk already does that. Having
this information at the top of the awk scripts will simply be useful for
keeping track of changes if we all start running the same scripts. (for example
- I've made a change to getdate.awk so it figures out who's doing the changes
and puts an appropriate comment at the end of the yp_*.html files).

						cheers,
						 - anton.
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Hans-Martin writes:
> Friends,
> if your time allows, please have a look at the new ESO information service
> under construction: http:/www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

Unfortunately I've not been able to access http://www.hq.eso.org/ ('Error: 
server not accessible or refusing to serve document etc etc') - the only URL
that works for me is:

http://ecf.hq.eso.org/

and this doesn't have the file eso-homepage.html.

What should I try?

						cheers,
						 - anton.
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Anton,

Try:

href=http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

or

href=http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

They worked for me, although I had also trouble with my first
attempt a couple of days ago.

AH.

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From: Peter Mueller <peter@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
To: dwells@NRAO.EDU
Subject: Mosaic Home Page
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:05:53 MEZ

Hi,

Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie in Bonn new has its own Mosaic home
page. You will find it under:
http://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/index.html
This pages are still under construction!

Peter
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From: Keith R. Crosley <keith@rsinc.com> (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin
	Adorf))
Subject: IDL Info on World Wide Web
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Dear Colleague:

You may be interested to know about a new source for 
information about IDL on the internet.  Research Systems now has
a number of hypertext pages containing information about IDL 
on the World Wide Web.  

These pages can be accessed through Mosaic, or other Web browsers,
at the following URL: 

http://sslab.colorado.edu:2222/projects/IDL/idl_ssl_home.html

They include technical information about IDL, pricing and distributor
information, a gallery of images that you can download, and links to
the IDL ftp site.

The pages are part of an ongoing project at the NASA Software Support
Laboratory that is compiling information about a number of scientific
visualization products.

I welcome your comments and suggestions about the IDL Web pages 
at the email address shown below.

Sincerely,
Keith R. Crosley


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Email: keith@rsinc.com

Research Systems, Inc.
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Fionn Murtagh writes:

> ... Access should be okay now.  I.e. 
> either http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

This now works fine for me, thanks.

> or     http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html

This still doesn't, but probably http.hq.eso.org is the proper one to use.

> ...
> The problem was at a router (I think in ESOC in Darmstadt), which 
> apparently has been put right.

Thanks for checking out the problem; looks like it's a matter of luck :)
It's quite a comprehensive homepage, I look forward to seeing all the 'TBD'
features implemented, particularly regarding telescope / observing information.

						cheers,
						 -  anton.
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I stand corrected - they both work for me.
 
http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html
http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html
 
Normally I keep quiet when URLs don't work, unless it stretches into several
days.
                                                - anton.
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From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer)
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hi Don,

	Here's a suggestion concerning the category codes - how about a file
summarising the definition of each category code? There are some fine
distinctions, often semantic, but such a guide might at least help clarify
things a bit. I'm currently playing with an 'mssso' format based on using
yp_protoname.html and I'm finding a few difficulties reconciling this
with my previous classifications. For example, is the AAO (Epping) an
institute, a department, an observatory or a telescope?... Currently it's
listed as 'optical' (telescope?) which I find somewhat hazy, since it would
be in the same category as AAT yet they serve quite different purposes. On
some lists it is useful to have them next to each other, but on others they
should be in separate categories.

	How about this:

1. Keep the current classification of optical, radio, space, solar but
recognise that these are subsets of the classification 'telescope' defined as:

   Telescope: where actual observing is done. Permanent staff are mostly
   technical and/or support, observers are generally temporary and come from
   other cities/countries.

2. Add the above classification subsets to departments as well. Define
departments/institutes as:

   Departments and Institutes: where academic/research staff are permanently
   located. May or may not administer telescopes, either on-site or remotely.

(Yet another subclassification - departments are affiliated with universities,
while institutes are not? ie split into dept / inst. I'm not sure if this one
would be useful.)

Here would be some examples of classification under the above scheme:

MSSSO:	dept optical
SSO:	telescope optical

ATNF:	inst radio
ATCA:	telescope tadio
Mopra:	telescope radio

AAO:	inst optical
AAT:	telescope optical

NRAO (Charlottesville):	inst radio
VLA:	telescope radio

etc...

This would give somewhat more freedom, ie all the optical places could still
be lumped together, or they could be split into departments / telescopes. If
an institution administers both optical and radio telescopes (rare) perhaps
they could both be listed, with the more dominant one (eg optical) first:
<place>: dept optical radio

The above is not meant as a concrete example, rather just as a sort of starting
point for thinking more carefully about the classification scheme. I don't know
if it is in fact worth spending time on since there will always be grey areas
no matter how we define things - what's important is to reduce them to only a
handful. But it would at least be useful to define the current classifications,
perhaps adding some more freedom to them.

						cheers,
						 - anton.
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anton koekemoer writes:
 > 	Here's a suggestion concerning the category codes - how about a file
 > summarising the definition of each category code? There are some fine
 > distinctions, often semantic, but such a guide might at least help clarify
 > things a bit. 

Good idea. You sound like you are volunteering!

The codes which are currently in the file were not planned, and I put
no great thought into their choice or their definition. I simply
wanted to reproduce the existing lists, and putting codes in the file
enabled me to do that.  As I did so I was quite aware of the
ambiguities. I made decisions one by one as I edited the file.  Many
of the decisions were made quickly, as snap judgements. It is certain
that I made mistakes.  I noticed that many of the resources could and
should be classified into more than one category, and so I inserted
multiple codes in many of the records. As a result, you will find the
same record appearing in more than one of my subject-oriented pages. I
have been planning to regard the first code in a list as the 'primary'
classification, and to produce a file sorted on primary_code_plus_name.

 > .., is the AAO (Epping) an
 > institute, a department, an observatory or a telescope?... 

I consider it to be an optical-oriented institute, so I agree with
your proposed codes (see below).

 > 1. Keep the current classification of optical, radio, space, solar..
 > .. subsets of the classification 'telescope' ..

Sure. We could invent a code 'telescope' and make it the primary code
for pages that are associated with actual telescopes. The
optical/radio/space... codes could be secondary codes.

 > 2. Add the above classification subsets to departments as well...
 >    Departments and Institutes: where academic/research staff are..

Reasonable. I believe that you will find instances in the current
database which already fit these rules (e.g., Utrecht and [probably]
Calgary). 

 > MSSSO: dept optical > SSO: telescope optical > ATNF: inst radio >
    ATCA: telescope tadio > Mopra: telescope radio > AAO: inst optical >
    AAT: telescope optical > NRAO (Charlottesville): inst radio > VLA:
    telescope radio > etc...

These multiple-code classifications strike me as reasonable, proper
and useful. In fact, I have -- to some extent -- already applied these
rules in an informal fashion.

 > The above is.. a.. starting > point for thinking.. about the
 > classification scheme.. there will always be grey areas
 > no matter how we define things.. it would.. be useful to define the
 > current classifications.. 

I agree. I would welcome a URL to page defining the codes and their
usage. If you want to change the names of any of the codes, say so.
Now is a good time for such a change, because there is still only one
working copy of the master database.

-Don
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From: udalski@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl (Andrzej Udalski)
Subject: WWW Server
To: rpss@stsci.edu
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:56:40 +0100 (MET)
Organization: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory
Address: Al. Ujazdowskie 4, 00-478 Warszawa, POLAND
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Dear Sir,

We have recently established a WWW server in our local network. We
would greatly appreciate it if you could add information to your
"Astronomical Internet Resources" under World Wide Web.

I think taht the good title would be: "Warsaw University Astronomical
Observatory". The server contains general information about our
Observatory and the most up-to-date information on the Optical
Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) -- a long-term, large scale
photometric search for dark matter in our Galaxy using microlensing
phenomena. Information on the side projects conducted parallely to the
main search are also there.

The internet address of our server is www.astrouw.edu.pl. It uses the
default port number (80). URL to the Warsaw University Observatory home
page would be:
"http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/"

URL to the OGLE page is:

"http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/~udalski/ogle.html"

Thank you in advance for your help in this matter

Sincerely yours

Andrzej Udalski  

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Warsaw University Observatory       Bitnet:   udalski@plwauw61.bitnet
Al. Ujazdowskie 4                   Voice:    48-22-294011 ext 10
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Hi Folks,

I have been watching your discussion about classification codes and I
have mixed feelings, again conditioned by my twenty years of directory
compilation.

Obviously, one code for one entry will never give a classification good
enough for this entry. If you put several codes for one entry in order
to cover its various activities or aspects, you might have to put so
many that it will look like the spectral classifications by this good
Philip Keenan: so many letters after the main spectral classification
that it is almost equivalent to describe all the spectral features in the
spectrum (= here your comment section for the entry).

We think here that searching by key-words through a classification by
countries would do (although this might be also tricky for international
ventures: is AAO UK or Australia? is ESA-La Silla Chili, Europe or what?
- and there are so many definitions of `Europe').

Institutional or organizational profiles do change also with time, or
according to the person that provides you with the information (here the
person that sets up the pages). You can expect some problems in the
future as Mosaic will become more popular. If you put on line a page
with your codes in order to help people, you can expect also a number
of reactions.

As to my directories, my own coding remains hidden and for internal use 
only. I have, for research institutions, inflections if they have space
activities, if they are also computer-oriented,i if they deal with Earth
sciences, and so on, but nothing as specialized as optical, radio,
telescope, etc.

All the best,
Andre.


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Dear friends,

as you are presumably aware there is a WWW conference upcoming in May  at
CERN and Fionn Murtagh and I tossed around the idea of one of us going
there and presenting a paper on WWW in astronomy. We discussed two options:

1. describe the activities of the astroweb consortium (of which Fionn is
not yet a member).

2. describe the ST-ECF, ESO and possibly STScI webs, experiences, tools, etc.

What is your opinion about option 1? Would you like to see the current
astroweb activities advertised? We need a quick decision since abstracts
are due by the end of this month.

Cheers
Hans-Martin


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I fully support the idea of advertising AstroWeb as soon as possible
by papers (there could be one in the CDS Bulletin too - strict deadline:
May 15) or communications.

I suggest we include Fionn Murtagh as member of the group.   

Cheers,
Andre.

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Andre HECK writes:
 > I fully support the idea of advertising AstroWeb as soon as possible
 > by papers (there could be one in the CDS Bulletin too - strict deadline:
 > May 15) or communications.

I agree. Articles for the newsletters of our respective institutions
are appropriate. I will be delighted to edit whatever text you produce
and submit the result to the NRAO Newsletter for its next issue. I
will also be delighted to add URLs for the text(s) to my pages.

 > I suggest we include Fionn Murtagh as member of the group.   

DONE. Fionn added to fitsbits.dis list.

-Don

PS-- I almost finished translating Anton's list last night.
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/">
<!-- OWNER udalski@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl -->
<!-- CATEGORY ??? -->
Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory</A> 

</DT> 
<DD> 
Contains general information about our
Observatory and the most up-to-date information on the 
<A HREF="http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/~udalski/ogle.html">Optical
Gravitational Lensing Experiment</A> (OGLE) -- a long-term, large scale
photometric search for dark matter in our Galaxy using microlensing
phenomena. 
</DD> 
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://sslab.colorado.edu:2222/projects/IDL/idl_ssl_home.html">
IDL from Research Systems, Inc.
<!-- OWNER keith@rsinc.com -->
<!-- CATEGORY software -->
</A> 
IDL
</DT> 
<DD>
Includes technical information about IDL, pricing and distributor
information, a gallery of images that you can download, and links to
the IDL ftp site. The pages are part of an ongoing project at the 
NASA Software Support
Laboratory that is compiling information about a number of scientific
visualization products.
<BR>
<A HREF="file://gateway.rsinc.com/pub">
IDL (ftp)
</A><BR>
<A HREF="ftp://idlastro.gsfc.nasa.gov/">
IDL Astronomy Library
</A><BR>
<A HREF="ftp://jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/idl/idl-faq">
IDL FAQs (frequently asked questions)
</A><BR>
</DD>
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What a pleasure! I merely cut the text from the mail window and pasted
it into the resource database window. Thanks! -Don
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Don Wells writes:
> What a pleasure! I merely cut the text from the mail window and pasted
> it into the resource database window. Thanks! -Don

Yes, I like it too - Bob seems to have found a good way for us to advertise new
sites we find.

Here are the ones I've came across over the last week or so... I'm no longer
adding anything to my astro page until the new master file comes out from NRAO.

						cheers,
						 - anton.



<DT> 
<A HREF="http://aquila.uni-muenster.de:8000/">
Universitaet Muenster, Astronomisches Institut (in German)
</A>
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</DT>

<DT>
<A HREF="http://aquila.uni-muenster.de:8000/e-AIM-TOP.html">
University of Muenster, Astronomical Institute (in English)
</A>
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://web.phys.washington.edu/">
University of Washington
</A>
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<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT>


<DT> 
<A HREF="file://jhufos.pha.jhu.edu/pub/">
Johns Hopkins University, FOS
</A>
<!-- OWNER ???  -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8080/lca_home_page.html">
Laboratory for Computational Astrophysics
</A> 
<!-- OWNER norman@zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu  -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT> 
<DD>
The LCA develops and disseminates theoretical modeling software for astrophysics
research.
</DD> 


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://www.ifctr.mi.cnr.it/">
Ist. di Fisica Cosmica e Techn. Rel.
</A>
<!-- OWNER GASS  -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT> 
<DD>
Istituto per ricerche in Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative, Milan.
</DD> 


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://vega.pd.astro.it:8080/TNG/TNG.html">
Telescopio Nazionale Galileo
</A> 
<!-- OWNER rampazzi@astrpd.astro.it  -->
<!-- CATEGORY telescope optical -->
</DT> 
<DD> 
The TNG (Galileo National Telescope) is a Project of the Italian Astronomical
community. TNG headquarters (TNG Project Scientist is Cesare Barbieri ) is
housed in the Padova Observatory.
</DD>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://jean-luc.ncsa.uiuc.edu/World/world.html">
General Relativity around the world
</A> 
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<!-- CATEGORY astroweb other_astronomy -->
</DT> 
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From: Rudi Albrecht <ralbrech@eso.org> (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf))
Subject: X-Ray World Wide Web Server
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In article <mancini-090394130839@usx221.fysik.uu.se>, mancini@fysik.uu.se
(Derrick C. Mancini) writes:
> This is the first announcement about the availability of the X-Ray
> World Wide Web Server and Anonymous FTP site.  The Server makes available
> bibliographies and databases related to x-ray spectroscopic physics.
> In particular, the Henke database of atomic scattering factors can be
> downloaded.  Also, this is the site for the Atomic and Molecular Core-
> Edge Excitation Database and Bibliography, compiled originally by
> A.P. Hitchcock, and prepared by Hitchcock and Mancini for electronic
> distribution (COREXDB).
>
> The X-Ray WWW Server is still under development.  A simple bibliographic
> search mechanism has been implemented for the COREX bibliography.  A
> visualization mechanism is currently being developed to allow Web Browsers
> to preview datafiles as in-line GIFs before choosing to download.
>
> Feedback is encouraged.  The URL:
> http://xray.uu.se/
>
> The X-Ray WWW Server has been made possible in part by the support
> of the Department of Physics at Uppsala University in Sweden.
>
>
> --
> Derrick C. Mancini - The XRAYMAN
> Fysiska Institutionen  -  Uppsala Universitet
> Box 530  S751 21  Uppsala  Sverige
> mancini@fysik.uu.se
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Are we having fun yet?"  -  Zippy
>



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anton koekemoer writes:
 > Here are the ones I've came across over the last week or so... 

DONE. Added to the master file (Bob's records were added too).

 > [waiting] until the new master file comes out from NRAO.

I work on it each day. I finished translating your database and
accepted the merger of it with the master. The redundant records were
combined automatically, and I am now hand-editing those cases. This
process is now 20% done. I estimate 3 more days.

The preliminary indication is that the file has about 75 more unique
records than before the MSSSO was added. Previous total was about 575,
new total will be about 650.

-Don
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://sbast3.ess.sunysb.edu/home.html">
<!-- OWNER tph@astro.sunysb.edu -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
SUNY Stony Brook Astronomy Group
</A> 
</DT> 
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 08:30:20 +0100
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Dear Friends,

When are we going to announce officially AstroWeb through Mosaic and
other media? I repeat my earlier proposal to have a short announcement
put also in Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. as I am pretty sure James Lequeux
would automatically publish it. This would allow us to `take date' (if
this expression has a meaning in English), advertise the venture and
prevent that so many incomplete lists pop up here and there.

Don, I wonder whether you are not the best person to put an initial
draft together by pasting bits and pieces from your earlier messages
to most of us. You have been involved too from the very beginning. 
Would this take a long time? If not, I could something, but not before
the second half of April.

Cheers,
Andre.

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 12:09:57 +0100
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From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: Alan Emtage on Bunyip
Cc: rhook@eso.org (Richard Hook)
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Hi All,

> I'm working on trying to provide search capabilities for email discussion
> group listings - initially I'm working on the List of Lists.  I've just
> added WAIS capabilities to our gopher, and one of the perennial user
> questions concerns searching for email lists on a given topic.
>
> First, I'm wondering if anyone else has tackled this.  My guess is that
> someone probably has, but I didn't find any leads in the normal places.

Just FYI, this comes under the scope of two interrelated projects. The
first is the IAFA templates which (he says hopefully) should be sent up
to FYI-class RFC status in the near future. Without going into it in
great detail here the IAFA group of the IETF is chartered (along with
other things) to create "cataloging" templates so that meta-data such of
the kind you are talking about would have a standardized format on the
network. The other project is the Bunyip Internet Directory Project
(BIDP) which should be up in the next little while. I have included the
annnouncement about this below. We are in the process of writing
"quick-and-dirty" documents so that people are not required to read
through the standards documents themselves, but for the moment they are
all we have.

Within the scope of the BIDP is the hope that we would be able to collect
and maintain something akin to the List of Lists. Under our strucuture
the list administrators themselves would maintain their own information
about the mailing list and retrieval of this information would be
automated. I don't believe that manual maintenance of this kind of data
is feasible any longer.... the Internet is now too big for this kind of
thing. Humans do however have a place in doing value added work as
classifying and editing the raw information.

-Alan

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                Bunyip Internet Directory Project


Over the next several months we at Bunyip Information Systems (creators
of the archie directory system), will be running a pilot project to
assess the viability of collecting additional data cataloging information
directly from the Internet. Ultimately, this information will be made
available to the Internet community via the distribution mechanisms now
in place for the familiar archie anonymous FTP database.

One of the biggest problems currently facing the use of the wealth of
information now available on the Internet is locating the files,
documents or services that you are looking for. While archie goes some
way to addressing this problem, "cataloging" information such as contact
information, abstracts, descriptions, keywords and access policies for
the files and services are simply not available through simple filename
searches. The problem of trying to keep this cataloging information up to
date manually in such a dynamic environment is well illustrated by the
current archie Software Description Database (or "whatis" database as it
is more commonly known).

We are asking you, the anonymous FTP archive site administrators and
operators of Internet services to cooperate with us by preparing your
information for automated gathering and serving. In doing so, we believe
you will be supporting a data distribution model that is well suited to
the Internet.  Control over your content will remain with you, and the
automatic preparation of additional information services will be made
possible. The data served to the community will be updated when you
change your own files.

You need not tell us that you have these files: if you have asked to be
part of the archie service in the past, this information will be
automatically retrieved from your archive.

Our project will use an extended version of the archie system to collect
data "templates" on anonymous FTP archives. These templates will be
automatically retrieved, collated and indexed into a form easily
searchable by users on the network. Over the period of the pilot a number
of search and retrieval techniques will be assessed to determine their
usability.

The hope is that the general user will be able to query this database and
obtain descriptive information about freely available or Public Domain
documents, images, sounds and services on the network...worldwide. In
addition to the descriptions, the templates point the user to the source
of the original data or service which may then be accessed.

By filling out and making these templates available for retrieval, you
can advertise the files and services available from your department or
institution. The templates can be used to describe

      Services

        The archive can offer an overall description of each the various
        Internet services offered by your organization's systems, along
        with corresponding contact information.

        This description would then indicate whether the the parent
        organization offers such services as:

        o on-line library catalogues

        o Interactive online information services such as WAIS, gopher,
          Prospero, World Wide Web or archie

        o specialized information servers such as those providing
          weather, geographic information, newswire feeds etc.

        o Other information services

      People

        By putting non-sensitive personal contact information into the
        templates we hope to provide the start of the first truly global
        White Pages service: the ability to locate people anywhere on the
        network.

      Documents, Datasets, Mailing List Archives, USETNET Archives,
      Software Packages, Images and other Objects

        You might wish to make available a brief description of available
        software, documents, images, sounds, video, datasets, USENET
        archives and mailing list information through the anonymous FTP
        archive.

A typical "services" template might look like this (no offense to the
Census Bureau intended :-)

Template-Type:          SERVICES
Name:                   Census Bureau information server
Host-Name:              census.ispy.gov
Host-Port:              1234
Protocol:               telnet
Admin-Name:             Jay Bond
Admin-Postal:           PO Box. 42, A Street Washington DC, USA 20001
Admin-Work-Phone:       +1-202-222-3333
Admin-Work-Fax:         +1 202 444 5555
Admin-Email:            jb007@census.ispy.gov
Description:            This server provides information from the
                        latest USA Census Bureau statistics (1990)
                        Type "help" for more information.
Authentication:         Once connected type your email address at
                        the "login:" prompt. No password is
                        required.
Registration:           No formal registration is required
Charging-Policy:        There is no charge for the use of this service
Access-Times:           9:00 EST / 17:00 EST
Access-Policy:          This service may not be used by sites in
                        the Republic of the VTTS
Keywords:               census, population, 1990, statistics
Last-Modified-Name:     Miss Moneypenny
Last-Modified-Email:    m.moneypenny@census.ispy.gov
Last-Modified-Date:     Wed, 1 Jan 1970 12:00:00 GMT


Note that the machine on which the actual service or documents reside
need not be the same as that of the anonymous FTP archive: you may place
these templates on any anonymous FTP archive. The template contains the
date on where to locate the information itself.

The templates to be used will be those constructed by the Internet
Anonymous FTP Archives working group of the Internet Engineering Task
Force. These documents describing the templates are available as Internet
Drafts from the standard network repositories. They are also available
from archive.cc.mcgill.ca in the pub/Network/iafa directory. The two
files are

draft-ietf-iafa-publish-00.txt

and

draft-ietf-iafa-templates-00.txt

the templates themselves are generally extensible and you may add fields
if you do not think that the ones provided suit your particular needs.

Please do not be put off by the size of the documents: the first contains
several examples explaining and illustrating how they are filled out; the
second provides empty templates for you to use. Also, do not feel that
you are obliged to complete one of every template or even every field in
each template. We ask only that you document current practice at your
site as completely as possible.

If you have any questions about this project or suggestions about the
templates, we would be happy to answer them. Please send mail to

        templates-info@bunyip.com

Please feel free to redistribute this message to groups you think
appropriate.


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In article <1994Mar22.192419.6103@cc.ic.ac.uk> arrigo@giga.ic.ac.uk (Arrigus)
writes:
> Hello,
>
>       I am looking for an easy way to add a TeX/LaTeX hook to Mosaic which
> will enable me to download the TeX sources of files on the SISSA condensed
> matter archive and display them on the screen via xdvi. This would entail
> grabbing the source (which Mosaic sees as binary and offers to save onto the
> disc), passing it through latex and/or tex and then into xdvi for display on
> screen. The reason for this is that the PS output is very rarely available in
> the local fields of interest.
>       I had done this by applying patches to gopher ages ago but it wasn't
> as complicated as Mosaic. I was wondering if anyone has yet achieved this or
> if everyone just downloads to disc and then does it manually (we were
thinking
> of this method because not all our users are knowledgeable and like to tinker
> around with files, we were going to provide SISSA as the home page and then
> have users click on the article source and see the article on screen).

Everything you need to do this is already there.  Just make sure your users
have  a line like this in their /usr/local/lib/mosaic/mailcap file:
  application/x-dvi; open %s
where "open" is whatever application they use to open their TeX dvi files
(e.g., xdvi).

I put up an example dvifile  in
http://gopher.econ.lsa.umich.edu/Testing/Testing.html
and it "just worked".

--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220


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Based on the following message, I deleted the telnet and ftp entries
for the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI) and added the following:

<DT> 
<A HREF="http://cass.jsc.nasa.gov/CASS_home.html">
<!-- OWNER leung@lpi.jsc.nasa.gov -->
<!-- CATEGORY center -->
Center for Advanced Space Studies
</A> 
CASS
</DT> 
<DD> 
The Center for Advanced Space Studies is a major research and conference facility 
built by Universities Space Research Association (USRA) in 1991 in Houston, Texas. 
Since the completion of the CASS facility in December 1991, it has housed the 
four Houston activities of USRA: Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI), 
Exploration Science Institute (ESI), Division of Space Life Sciences (DSLS),
Division of Educational Programs (DEP) 
</DD> 


Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 07:57:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Sarah Stevens-Rayburn <LIBRARY@avion.stsci.edu>
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From:	IN%"PACS-L@UHUPVM1.UH.EDU"  "Public-Access Computer Systems Forum" 23-MAR-1994 22:57:49.93
To:	IN%"PACS-L@UHUPVM1.UH.EDU"  "Multiple recipients of list PACS-L"
CC:	
Subj:	LPI Public Account

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
As of April 1st the public account of the Lunar & Planetary Institute
will cease to exist.  The information will be available on the new and
improved CASS (Center for Advanced Space Studies) public account.

The CASS account will support X Windows, Mosaic, as well as the VT series
of emulations.  The new system is on a Sun running SYBASE, which should
show much better speeds than the LPI account using a VAX and System 1032.
At this time not all flies have been moved to the new machine.  Links have
been provided, so the information is still available, even if at the same
old speed.

To access the CASS account telnet to: cass.jsc.nasa.gov.  Login as: cass
(lowercase) and the password is: online (again, lowercase).  If you are
using VT emmulation read the opening screen.  Our URL is:
http://cass.jsc.nasa.gov/CASS_home.html.

Please leave comments on leaving the account, we are still refining the
system.

Sincerely,
David Bigwood
bigwood@lpi.jsc.nasa.gov
Center for Advanced Space Studies

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   The Hubble Space Telescope Astrometry Science Team announces a WWW
   home page. See how astrometry, one of the oldest branches of astronomy, uses
   the Hubble Space Telescope, one of the newest tools of astronomy. Interrogate
   our home page to find out what we do, who we are, and what we've done. Look
   over our shoulder as we search for planets around a nearby star.

          http://dorrit.as.utexas.edu/

RA



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Dear friends,

Andre Heck writes:
> When are we going to announce officially AstroWeb through Mosaic and
> other media? I repeat my earlier proposal to have a short announcement
> put also in Astron. Astrophys....  This would allow us to `take date' (if
> this expression has a meaning in English), advertise the venture and
> prevent that so many incomplete lists pop up here and there.

This seems to point to the same goal as Hans-Martin's message about the WWW
conference:
> as you are presumably aware there is a WWW conference upcoming in May  at
> CERN and Fionn Murtagh and I tossed around the idea of one of us going
> there and presenting a paper on WWW in astronomy...


For what it's worth, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of publicising this
effort as soon as possible - both at the WWW conference and in Astron.Ap.Suppl.
(as well as an announcement in the Mosaic "what's new" page of course).

Just as a side-issue, which URLs will be advertised - i.e. is this the time to
discuss taking up Don's idea of distributed maintenance of the databases, with
each of us maintaining a copy of the 'astroweb' directory with all its yp_*.html
files, changing them locally, and using ftp cronjobs to incorporate changes
made at the other sites? ...

						cheers,
						 - anton.
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/sektion/">
Ludwig Maximilians Universitaet Muenchen: Institut fuer Astronomie und Astrophysik
</A> 
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</DT> 
<DD> 
</DD>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://pdssbn.astro.umd.edu/">
University of Maryland, Astronomy Department: PDSSBN
</A> 
<!-- OWNER raugh@astro.umd.edu  -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT> 
<DD> 
This node is currently located in the Astronomy Department of the University of
Maryland, College Park. It supports the publicly accessible files for the
Planetary Data System Small Bodies Node, and the Shoemaker-Levy 9 Bulletin Board.
</DD>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://www.igpp.ucla.edu/">
UCLA: Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics
</A> 
<!-- OWNER tking@igpp.ucla.edu  -->
<!-- CATEGORY dept -->
</DT> 
<DD> 
</DD>


<DT> 
<A HREF="http://icarus.tuc.noao.edu/">
The Gemini 8m Telescopes Project
</A> 
<!-- OWNER ???  -->
<!-- CATEGORY optical -->
</DT> 
<DD> 
</DD>





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Don Wells writes:

> The codes which are currently in the file were not planned, and I put
> no great thought into their choice or their definition. I simply
> wanted to reproduce the existing lists, and putting codes in the file
> enabled me to do that.  As I did so I was quite aware of the
> ambiguities. I made decisions one by one as I edited the file.  Many
> of the decisions were made quickly, as snap judgements...

Yes - it's not really possible to define category codes until the list has
been put together in the first place; I guess that's why our lists all tended
to change their shape over time.

>    ... I would welcome a URL to page defining the codes and their
> usage. If you want to change the names of any of the codes, say so.

I'm happy with most of the classifications; my basic contribution would be to
add a top-level classification "telescope" (= "virtually no full-time on-site
academic research staff, mainly support"). I don't think there's much point
classifying further than 2 levels - see below. However, not all the sites
currently listed as "optical", "radio" etc will come under "telescopes". For
example in the NRAO list AAO, ESO, MSSSO and CTIO are all under "observatories"
but I tend to think of the first three as departments because their observing
is done elsewhere. "Telescopes" are the places where I'd look for information
about weather, instrumentation, current observations etc. "Observatory" seems
to be a somewhat hazy term since the telescopes at many "observatories" are of
historical interest only, thereby making them more equivalent to "departments/
institutes" in terms of how their research is done.

> Now is a good time for such a change, because there is still only one
> working copy of the master database.

Ok Don, how about letting me know when you've finished adding the new URLs and
I'll ftp the finished yp_protoname.html. Over the weekend I'll probably be able
to go through the entire file; I'll work on it in an accessible place in case
anyone wants to have a look and make comments.

 
Andre Heck writes:

> Obviously, one code for one entry will never give a classification good
> enough for this entry. If you put several codes for one entry in order
> to cover its various activities or aspects, you might have to put so
> many ... (= here your comment section for the entry).

That's a good point, I agree it is a danger. I'll probably go for these two
keywords:
   dept/telescope     optical/radio/solar/space/other(?)

I'll probably keep my 'mssso' format as it is - not use the dept subclassifions
but just list them by country (of location - should state this explicitly). But
Don's list uses those subclassifications; I'll probably use them just to list
telescopes. The whole issue of keywords is subjective - personally I like
visualing a long list of sites by breaking them up into common groups. But this
has no more virtues than an alphabetical 'CDS'-format list, or those developed
by the others on this group - I feel a strong-point of AstroWeb is to offer the
variety of all our styles.

> We think here that searching by key-words through a classification by
> countries would do (although this might be also tricky for international
> ventures: is AAO UK or Australia? is ESA-La Silla Chili, Europe or what?
> - and there are so many definitions of `Europe').

(my 'Europe' list would eventually have been split into countries) What do you
think about listing by country *of location* (and stating this explicitly)
- might this be reasonably safe in terms of not provoking negative reactions?
(practically, this will require a small list of 'exceptions' somewhere in the
awk scripts: eg. eso.org = '.de'; ctios2.noao.edu = '.cl' etc).

						cheers,
						 - anton.
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://dorrit.as.utexas.edu/">
<!-- OWNER fritz@astro.as.utexas.edu -->
<!-- CATEGORY optical -->
Hubble Space Telescope Astrometry Science Team
</A> 
</DT> 
<DD> 
See how astrometry, one of the oldest branches of astronomy, uses 
the Hubble Space Telescope, one of the newest tools of astronomy. Interrogate
our home page to find out what we do, who we are, and what we've done. Look
over our shoulder as we search for planets around a nearby star.
</DD> 
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<DT> 
<A HREF="http://nastol.astro.lu.se/Html/home.html">
<!-- OWNER peter@astro.lu.se -->
<!-- CATEGORY optical  -->
Lund Observatory
</A>
Sweden
</DT> 
<DD>
Local information, re- and preprints, images from the Nordic Optical
Telescope
</DD>
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AstroWeb friends,

I have completed the merger of the MSSSO records.
I have also added various new records.
I have corrected a number of the bad URLs that Bob's tool found.
I have not released the database into production, but
you can fetch it at 

	ftp://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/yp_master.html

There are 659 records in the file.

-Don
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AstroWeb friends,

I have been revising the top-level page of my resouce records list to
reflect all of the new realities. I have not yet released the page
into production. You can look at this prototype at

    http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/astronomy.html

You will see that I refer to our collaboration by name. I would be
happy to hear comments, criticisms, suggested changes, etc. regarding
this page. I will not release it into production until I sense a
consensus about it.

You will also notice that the page has three buttons to enable users
to enter resource records into our database. Only the first button is
fully operational at the moment. The second button is partially
operational, and is worth a try. You are welcome to enter data into
the form associated with the first button. I have been using it to
enter records into the database. You are all welcome to copy the code
and produce your own variations on the code.

-Don
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Subject: ALIWEB
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<base href="http://web.nexor.co.uk/aliweb/doc/aliweb.html">
<htmlplus>
  <head>
    <title>ALIWEB</title>
  </head>
  <body>
    <p>
      <img src="http://web.nexor.co.uk/general/logo-small.gif">This
      document is part of
      <a href="http://web.nexor.co.uk/">The Web at Nexor</a>.
    </p>
    <hr>
    <div1>
      <h1>ALIWEB</h1>
      <p>
	Welcome to ALIWEB (Archie-Like Indexing for the Web).
	This document serves as a starting point for all ALIWEB
	related information.
      </p>
      <hr>
      <ul>
	<li>
	    <a href="search.html">Search the ALIWEB database</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	    <a href="introduction.html">Introduction to ALIWEB</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	  <a href="registering.html">Registering with ALIWEB</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	    <a href="technical.html">Implementation details</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	    <a href="history.html">The history of ALIWEB</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	    <a href="current.html">The current situation of ALIWEB</a>
	</li>
	<li>
	    <a href="future.html">The future of ALIWEB</a>
	</li>
      </ul>
      <hr>
      <address>
	<p><a href="/mak/mak.html">Martijn Koster</a></p>
      </address>
    </div1>
  </body>
</htmlplus>
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From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)
Subject: V. Balasubramanian's hypertext review
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V. Balasubramanian's hypertext review
<a href="http://www.csi.uottawa.ca/~dduchier/misc/hypertext_review/">
"State of the Art Review on Hypermedia Issues And Applications"
</a>
available online.

-hma


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I could imagine a new ~~comment in yp_master.html, e.g.,

	<!-- SITEINFO http://whereever/whatever.html -->

This URL would contain the <DD>...</DD> contents and
perhaps even everything else.

This would allow the site owner to control the description
of their site's contents.

It would be easy to query the URL nightly and update
yp_master.html .



					Bob
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Don,

	Please could you find a home for the following in your Astronomy
	resources list? Thanks!

WebStars, at NASA's High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Research Center,
is about astronomy & astrophysics; the Space Science Web Group; software &
icons downloading; WWW technical pages & style guides; on-line articles about
astronomy on the Web; HEASARC/StarTrax Browse and other online services;
and virtual reality.

Alan Richmond, HEASARC/Hughes STX. 
-- 
	<i><a href=http://guinan.gsfc.nasa.gov/WebStars.html>WebStars</a></i>
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The tools I use for Astroweb Searching
and Validation are available at:

	http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/

They use:

	WAISINDEX, WAISSEARCH, Tcl, TclX
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<DT>
<A HREF="http://www.mmrc.ncsu.edu/">
Mars Mission Research Center
</A>
<!-- CATEGORY centre space -->
<!-- OWNER garvin@mmrc.ncsu.edu -->
(North Carolina State Univ.)
</DT>
<DD>
Co-located at North Carolina State University in Raleigh (NCSU) and North
Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in Greensboro (A&T), the Mars
Mission Research Center (M2RC) is one of eight University Space Engineering
Centers established by NASA in 1988. The goal of the Center is to focus on research
and educational technologies necessary for planetary exploration, especially
transportation to and from Mars.
</DD>
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The deadline for abstract submission for the above is right now, and since
I may attend, I have taken the liberty to submit the following abstract.
This was done in some haste: let me know if I need to urgently rectify  
anything tomorrow.  Is anyone else going to be there?  The upcoming deadlines
are April 15 for a URL, and April 20 for notification of acceptance.  I 
would have liked to have discussed this a little, but I just ran out of time.

Best,
Fionn


----------------

AstroWeb: Astronomical Resources on the Internet


D. Wells (National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Charlottesville),
B. Jackson (Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore),
A. Koekemoer (Mount Stromlo and Siding Spring Observatories, Weston Creek), 
A. Heck (Strasbourg Observatory, Strasbourg),
H.-M. Adorf (Space Telescope - European Coordinating Facility, Garching),
F. Murtagh (Space Telescope - European Coordinating Facility, Garching).


Contact: F. Murtagh, ST-ECF, Karl-Schwarzschild-Str. 2, D-85748 Garching,
Germany.  Email: fmurtagh@eso.org, Tel: +49 89 32006-298, Fax: 
+49 89 32006-480.




Almost overnight, the World Wide Web has become a de-facto standard for 
information and documentation in astronomical departments and institutes.  
The AstroWeb consortium has set itself the task of maintaining a common 
list of astronomically-related URLs.  Currently there are more than 650 
URLs (see http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/astronomy.html), 
categorized under: Observing Resources, Data Resources, Organizations, 
Software Resources, Publication-Related Resources, People-Related Resources, 
Various Lists of Astronomy Resources, Astronomical Imagery, Miscellaneous 
Resources.

The distributed information-gathering procedures used by the AstroWeb 
consortium are described, as are a range of searching and validation tools 
which have been developed.  The consortium's future plans are also outlined. 


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Fionn, your abstract looks good. Here are two changes:

fmurtagh@eso.org writes:
 > B. Jackson (Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore),
   ^^^^^^^^^^
Bob should be the primary author. He proposed the idea. 

 > URLs (see http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/astronomy.html), 
                                         ^^^^^^^^^
             http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astronomy.html

I would rather that the general public not know about the significance
of my subdirectory. By the time anybody outside our group reads this
abstract, my public URL will be up-to-date.

-Don

PS: my prototype AstroWeb Resource Entry Form,
http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/aref.html, has now been used by
several people, including one (Alan Richmond) who is not on our
mailing list (he helped me with several bugs/features). You can see
the output from the form at
http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/inp_incoming.html. The Makefile
concatenates that file with the other files (currently inp_nrao and
inp_mssso) to compute a new version of the database, so the next time
I do a 'make' all the records that have been entered wil be
included. All of you are welcome to any of the code, of course. I am
also working on the Email entry form.
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From: Bob Jackson <jackson@stsci.edu>
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To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU
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I ,for one, am getting tired of maintaining my own resource
listing and also sending the information to Don.

Also, I think we are far enough along to go public.

Does anyone have objections to:

	Next Wednesday - April 6

Announcing the AstroWeb Consortium to:

	sci.astro
	sci.astro.hubble
	comp.infosystems.www
	comp.infosystems.announce
	
and any mailing lists anyone can recommend.

If we are ~~unanimous, I will draft an announcement
and send it to you for review.


				Bob