From dwells Tue Mar 1 12:27:01 1994 X-VM-Summary-Format: "%n %*%a %-17.17F %-3.3m %2d %4l/%-5c %I\"%s\"\n" X-VM-Labels: nil X-VM-VHeader: ("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Apparently-To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Date:") nil X-VM-Bookmark: 45 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["730" "Tue" " 1" "March" "1994" "12:26:56" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU" nil "22" "Changes to astroweb exploder" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 1 22/730 " thread-indent "\"Changes to astroweb exploder\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA27537; Tue, 1 Mar 94 12:27:01 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403011726.AA27525@fits.cv.nrao.edu> From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Changes to astroweb exploder Date: Tue, 1 Mar 94 12:26:56 EST During the past few days I have upgraded the astroweb exploder from beta status to full production, and I encourage you to use it. The name "astroweb" is now in NRAO's global alias table, so astroweb@nrao.edu now works and is the official address. I moved the archive to file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/traffic/astroweb/ and added it to my monthly update daemon. The daemon ran at 00:01 EST today (12 hours ago), and updated the "astroweb" archive files properly. The distribution list is still at file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/astroweb.dis I expect that the astroweb mailing list will become much more important if, as we expect and assume, a number of other people join with us. -Don From dwells Wed Mar 2 09:50:16 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["6483" "Wed" " 2" "March" "1994" "09:50:14" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "134" "Re: Collaboration on URLs" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 2 134/6483 " thread-indent "\"Re: Collaboration on URLs\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA29368; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:50:16 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:50:14 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403021450.AA29362@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: Collaboration on URLs In-Reply-To: <9403020715.AA18122@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> References: <9403020715.AA18122@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Andre, Andre HECK writes: > In principle, I agree of course to collaborate with you and your fellows > although I have still to assess in which way I would have to change my > way of compiling these URLs and which impact this would have on an > already saturated life. I will be glad to have an opportunity to collaborate with you. I have added your name to the distribution list of our Email exploder: astroweb@nrao.edu (astroweb-request for administrative traffic) This reply is via the exploder. The current content of the list is dwells@nrao.edu (Don Wells) Bob Jackson adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Andre HECK > .. A searchable facility (such as within the > databases) would allow to find the information faster than by just > scanning the existing list.. Recently Bob Jackson implemented an elegant search form for our merged database. His resource list at STScI and mine at NRAO both have URLs pointing to his service. I am very pleased with the operation of this service. > .. As you may have noticed, some URLs are > duplicated under different entries to make their identification easier.. Our format permits, and encourages, multiple names, and the text block permits, and encourages, a more extensive explanation to help users recognize the relevance of resources. Also, we allow multiple CATEGORY codes, so that resources appear in more than one list when we present lists classified by category. > Now, I just had a quick look at your own list.. > .. What worries me (and there are about twenty years of data > compilation behind this statement) is how you will be able to keep your > information (comments and so on) on each entry updated. .. We are worried about this problem too. We propose to try two solutions: (1) Bob Jackson has constructed a program which tests the URLs in our database and (2) the OWNER Email addresses in the database will enable us to send the records to the owners periodically for review. Initially we will depend on (1), because very few of the resource records have OWNER fields. > Enough for the time being. In conclusion, my reaction is positive. > You may point to my pages and even use the information with ad hoc ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > credit, but I shall need some clarification and thinking before ^^^^^^ > fully committing myself. I'll be in touch. Our database already contains resource records pointing to your lists. The sentence above gives us permission to copy your resource records. Unless you change your mind within the next few days, and tell me to stop, I will merge your data with ours within about one week. I have already converted and merged three databases, so I can estimate the work involved (about six hours). I will add CATEGORY codes to your records during the conversion. With an additional hour or two of work, I will be able to compute an emulation of your pages from the combined database. The "astro_info" link in the header of the NRAO page points to a proof-of-concept emulation of the ST-ECF page, which is similar in style to your CDS resources page. Your pages contain numerous resource records in two new categories, physics and computer science. I expect to add CATEGORY codes 'physics' and 'comp_sci'. Your personal anchor list will require yet another code, probably to be 'personal'. Obviously you (and everybody else) are welcome to use the combined database in any way that you see fit. Currently the NRAO version is at http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html (114586 bytes, Feb 27 18:35) File yp_master is sorted by internet address. File yp_p_list contains the same records, but sorted by protocol+name_string (the sort order used by the STScI pages, currently yp_p_list.html separated into pages by protocol). The subdirectory 'astroweb' under directory 'www' (which is also visible via anonFTP as /fits/www/astroweb) contains my files for constructing and maintaining the database. Programs dtsort.awk, dtsplit.awk, dtcheck.awk and dtnodd.awk, plus the Makefile, are the key pieces of technology. They are visible via anonFTP, and I regard them as completely public domain. I designed these programs to be flexible, portable tools which can be adapted by people at other organizations, such as you at CDS, to produce resource lists with styles different from the style I currently use. Already we have learned the lesson that there is no one "right" style, that there are good reasons for the continued existence of multiple styles and access techniques (such as Bob's search form). In the end, the really important thing is to agree on a canonical exchange format for database records. "The purpose of standardization is to aid the creative craftsman, not to enforce the common mediocrity." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 > Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 > 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 > F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 > France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Don PS: You are the first person we have invited to join with us (Fionn suggested it). Hans-Martin, Bob and I have agreed that we will invite a second person, Anton Koekemoer (anton@mso.anu.edu.au); you should look at http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html. Anton appears to have copied records from other lists (possibly including your lists), but he has also made independent discoveries. Exploration of the URLs in his list-of-lists (at the end of his page) shows that the construction of resource lists has become a cottage industry in the astronomy community. I believe that we need to combine the efforts of our whole community, and that is what our collaboration effort is all about. Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA From astroweb-request Fri Mar 4 05:26:12 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["630" "Fri" " 4" "March" "1994" "11:26:07" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "16" "graphs on WWW etc." nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 4 16/630 " thread-indent "\"graphs on WWW etc.\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA01723; Fri, 4 Mar 94 05:26:12 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403041026.AA02717@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:26:07 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: graphs on WWW etc. Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hello, each month the folks at Merit NIC Services produce data on NSFnet Backbone use. Specifically, packet and byte counts are calculated for active ports. I have extracted the counts for ftp-data, gopher, www, and wais starting from December 1992 and made some 3-D graphs. Use the graphs as you like, but please retain the lower left corner information. The graphs are available from: http://www.gatech.edu/gvu/stats/NSF/merit.html James Pitkow Pitkow Graphics, Visualization and Usability Center Georgia Institute of Technology pitkow@cc.gatech.edu From astroweb-request Fri Mar 4 05:35:35 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2406" "Fri" " 4" "March" "1994" "11:35:26" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "56" "new WWW-to-WAIS gateway - did you see this?" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 4 56/2406 " thread-indent "\"new WWW-to-WAIS gateway - did you see this?\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA01741; Fri, 4 Mar 94 05:35:35 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403041035.AA03252@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:35:26 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: new WWW-to-WAIS gateway - did you see this? Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Beta Testers needed! We are working on a new WWW-to-WAIS Gateway called WAISGATE. We are starting to play around with the user interface now that we have the underlying plumbing working and would like comments and dreams on how this might be done. The software will continue to evolve over time. Please try: http://server.wais.com/directory-of-servers.html and: http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.www.html http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.wais.html http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.gopher.html Note: WAISGATE requires a Web viewer that handles forms (such as Mosaic 2.x). Features of WAISGATE: - Ability to access remote WAIS databases. - Multi-type documents with associated icons for each document format. - Table-lookup conversion from WAIS Types to MIME Content Types. - Fielded search for commercial WAIS databases. - Single-step processing: search of directory-of-servers, to database search, and to document retrieval. Some examples of the use of WAISGATE are: 1. Visit the directory-of-servers URL. Enter the search term "Smithsonian" and select the "smithsonian-pictures.src" database. Next, enter the search term: "gor*". (The "*" is an example of using right truncation.) Select either the text, the thumbnail image, or the full image documents for retrieval. 2. To try out fielded search, use the URL's: "http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.gopher.html", "http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.wais.html", and "http://server.wais.com/comp.infosystems.www.html". These are HTML pages for searching the Gopher, WAIS, and WWW newsgroup archives, respectively, using the commercial WAIS server. The "Complete Text Search Terms" is where you may enter your WAIS question. If you wish to restrict your search to specific fields within the mail archive, such as "subject" or "from", enter you search terms in the corresponding search box. When you have completed entering in your search terms, use the "Submit Query" box to process the search. Special thanks to Francois Schiettecatte and the Smithsonian Institution for the use of the Smithsonian Pictures Database, and to Steven E. Brenner for the Perl Library routines. Thanks to NCSA for the very nice public domain HTTP daemon and the associated icons. This will run as a free service on the Web. Please send comments to waisgate@wais.com. - Your friends at WAIS Incorporated From astroweb-request Fri Mar 4 09:33:55 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1007" "Fri" " 4" "March" "1994" "15:33:31" "+0100" "Sake Hogeveen (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin\n Adorf))" "Sake Hogeveen (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin\n Adorf))" nil "27" "XXIInd General Assembly of the IAU" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Sake Hogeveen Message-Id: <9403041433.AA06481@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:33:31 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU, fmurtagh@eso.org (Fionn Murtagh) From: Sake Hogeveen (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: XXIInd General Assembly of the IAU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Hans-Martin, The Local Organzing Committee has started a W3 server for the XXIInd General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union from 15-27 August 1994 in The Hague, The Netherlands. We would appreciate it very much if you would be so kind as to make the following reference in an obvious place in your W3 server: The XXIInd General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union. The alias `iauwww' was created only today, so it may take 24 hours before the server is accessible from your site. However, you can have a preview through URL: http://ruunb6.fys.ruu.nl:8888/iau.html. Please make no reference to the latter URL, as we may have to move the server to another machine in the coming months. -- Sake J. Hogeveen, Astronomical Institute, Utrecht University, Princetonplein 5, P.O. Box 80000, NL-3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. Telephone: +31 (0)30 535227/5200, Fax: +31 (0)30 535201, E-mail: hogeveen@fys.ruu.nl. From astroweb-request Mon Mar 7 05:42:30 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1381" "Mon" " 7" "March" "1994" "11:41:52" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "32" "Interpedia - from Jeff Foust" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 7 32/1381 " thread-indent "\"Interpedia - from Jeff Foust\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07509; Mon, 7 Mar 94 05:42:30 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403071041.AA19083@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 11:41:52 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Interpedia - from Jeff Foust Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Interpedia Status Report 1994 March 6 ======================== - Discussion among members of the Interpedia Coordinating Committee (ICC) continued this week on establishing a decision-making structure similar to the RFD/CFV process used in creating Usenet newsgroups. Several revisions, mostly minor, were made this week. - The number and kinds of documents that will form the basis for the Interpedia were considered this week. These documents include an official charter for the ICC, a mission statement, a list of goals and requirements, a plan for achieving these goals, and a timeline. Discussion on this will likely continue through this week. - Jared Rhine established a World Wide Web (WWW) site for Interpedia information, including the Interpedia FAQ. The URL for this site is: http://www.hmc.edu/www/interpedia/ For more information on the Interpedia, feel free to subscribe to the main Interpedia mailing list or any special topic mailing list (subscription information available in the FAQ) or contact Jeff Foust for information on joining the Interpedia Coordinating Committee. -- Jeff Foust EAPS Dept., MIT | "We'll really know the world is coming to an end jeff@astron.mit.edu | when the Cubs and the Red Sox meet in the Series." jfoust@mit.edu | -- Ken Brady, in rec.sport.baseball From astroweb-request Mon Mar 7 06:34:54 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["488" "Mon" " 7" "March" "1994" "12:34:45" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "15" "brwosing WAIS directory of servers (from Brewster Kahle)" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 7 15/488 " thread-indent "\"brwosing WAIS directory of servers (from Brewster Kahle)\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07527; Mon, 7 Mar 94 06:34:54 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403071134.AA19930@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 12:34:45 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: brwosing WAIS directory of servers (from Brewster Kahle) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU In article Marnewick, itbcm@puknet.puk.ac.za writes: > In the documentation the mention a WAIS-Server that is a database of If you are using the OS/2 interface it should have the directory of servers source built in. In fact all clients that i know of do this. The Directory of Servers is run by Thinking Machines on port 210 database name: directory-of-servers. You can use the web to browse it at http://wais.com/directory-of-servers.html -brewster From astroweb-request Mon Mar 7 10:08:46 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["885" "Mon" " 7" "March" "1994" "16:04:25" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "31" "WAIS Inc. homepage" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 7 31/885 " thread-indent "\"WAIS Inc. homepage\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07677; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:08:46 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403071504.AA22960@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:04:25 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: WAIS Inc. homepage Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The Uniform Resource Locator for this document is: http://server.wais.com/

This is the new <strong>WAIS</strong> home page This is of course, under contruction. If you have any ideas on what should go in the WAIS home page, send mail to www-ideas@wais.com.

For access to the directory of servers WAISGATE (WAIS <--> WEB) gateway, click here.

For access to the WAIS bibliography, click here.

For access to our public ftp site, click here.

For access to our public gopher site, click here.

Dan Aronson (dan@wais.com) / Information Services / WAIS Incorporated
From astroweb-request Mon Mar 7 11:07:10 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1714" "Mon" " 7" "March" "1994" "17:06:38" "+0100" "Arthur Secret (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin\n Adorf))" "Arthur Secret (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin\n Adorf))" nil "58" "Re: the WWW Virtual Library: Astronomy and Astrophysics" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Arthur Secret Message-Id: <9403071606.AA24234@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 17:06:38 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: Arthur Secret (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: Re: the WWW Virtual Library: Astronomy and Astrophysics Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU :> From adorf@eso.org Mon Mar 7 10:10 MET 1994 :> Return-Path: :> Message-Id: <9403070911.AA17556@ns3.hq.eso.org> :> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:11:20 +0100 :> To: Arthur Secret :> From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) :> Subject: Re: the WWW Virtual Library: Astronomy and Astrophysics :> :> Arthur, :> :> >Someone pointed out to me your nice document :> >http://ecf.hq.eso.org/astro-resources.html , :> > :> >saying it should become part of the WWW Virtual Library. :> > :> >Would you agree to maintain the Astronomy and Astrophysics part :> >of the WWW VL ? :> > :> >I've written a document giving an idea of what the specifications of :> >the WWW VL are at :> >http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/DataSources/bySubject/Administration.html :> > :> >What do you think ? :> :> Your similar comment/suggestion to Bob Jackson, Space Telescope Science :> Institute, a while ago has instigated a coordination activity between him, :> Don Wells, National Radio Astronomical Observatory, and myself. We have :> agreed to share resources and to maintain our network resource pages in a :> distributed, yet coordinated manner. :> I forgot about this previous request! :> I wonder what more would be involved when becoming an "official" WWW VL :> maintainer. Has Bob Jackson declined? No, he said he would get back to me. Then nothing happened, and I just forgot! :> :> Cheers :> Hans-Martin :> :> PS: Haven't checked out the WWW VL specifications yet. Tell me if you agree, and if so, send me a URL! Cheers, Arthur -- Arthur Secret, phone:(41-22) 767-37-55 Technical Student at CERN, e-mail: secret@dxcern.cern.ch :> maintainer. Has Bob Jackson decl From astroweb-request Tue Mar 8 04:40:18 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["94" "Tue" " 8" "March" "1994" "10:40:11" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "6" "ftp:://naic.nasa.gov/files" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 8 6/94 " thread-indent "\"ftp:://naic.nasa.gov/files\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08378; Tue, 8 Mar 94 04:40:18 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403080940.AA29652@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:40:11 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU, fmurtagh@eso.org (Fionn Murtagh) From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: ftp:://naic.nasa.gov/files Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ... contain a lotsa information on the Internet. I did not check the quality though. -hma From astroweb-request Tue Mar 8 14:07:05 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["756" "Tue" " 8" "March" "1994" "14:07:00" "EST" "Bob Jackson" "jackson@stsci.edu" nil "30" "[pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server]" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Bob Jackson Mar 8 30/756 " thread-indent "\"[pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server]\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09859; Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:07:05 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:07:00 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9403081907.AA00154@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: [pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server] Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:54:26 -1000 To: rpss@stsci.edu From: pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Eric J. Pilger) Subject: HTTP server Please add an entry for our WWW server to your list of network resources. Resource - NASA Infrared Telescope Facility WWW Home Page URL - http://irtf.ifa.hawaii.edu/ Port - 80? - whatever the standard port is Contents - various pieces of information about the observatory, access to our FTP site Resource - IRTF FTP site Address - hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu Directory - /pub/IRTF/ Contents - Manuals, Forms, Instrument information, Software tools Thank you. Eric Pilger Systems Programmer NASA Infrared Telescope Facility pilger@ifa.hawaii.edu From dwells Tue Mar 8 22:28:35 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["9050" "Tue" " 8" "March" "1994" "22:28:33" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "214" "The 4 lists are merged" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 8 214/9050 " thread-indent "\"The 4 lists are merged\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11043; Tue, 8 Mar 94 22:28:35 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 22:28:33 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403090328.AA11037@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: The 4 lists are merged Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, Tonight I completed the first round of editing of the fully merged database. I have edited all of the automatically-merged records which contained the "similar" message. I have deleted many of the redundant Gopher resources. I have repaired various URLs. I have added some descriptive text. The result is now released into production, and all of you are welcome to use http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html (155 KB) as you see fit. There are additional redundant records which need to be merged/deleted. More descriptive text needs to be added to
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fields. Classifications need to be checked/corrected. The URLs need to pass through Bob's testing program. Resource reports which have arrived in recent weeks need to be added. I hope that the three of you will join me in doing this work. I will be willing and able to merge your revised resource records with the existing file (or else you can run dtsort.awk to do it). I recommend that we proceed with the invitation to Anton in Australia. I will be willing and able to merge his database with ours. I am willing and able to add code to compute emulations of the styles of existing resource pages. I will be happy to advise/assist others if they wish to do this work. I append the output from the final run. There are 577 resources in the database; I expect that more than 500 of these are unique. -Don cd /fits/dwells/astroweb/ make -k all update install rm -f yp_*.html touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html; cat merged.html | dtsort.awk -v tail=temp_tail.html \ -v keys=yp_keys.html -v sort=zone >yp_master.html dtsort executed by dwells on fits.cv at Tue Mar 8 21:32:28 EST 1994 577 resource records read. 1 resource records edited: 2 cases of | ||| The 'zone'-sort keys have been generated. 4510 pointer-moves done by shellsort. 0 identical resource records deleted. (n=577) 0 similar resource records merged. (n=577) 2 lines copied from temp_tail.html. 577 resource records written. dtcheck.awk temp_tail.html; dtsplit.awk -v style=nrao > temp_radio.html 37 records >> temp_optical.html 20 records >> temp_space.html 8 records >> temp_solar.html 5 records >> temp_survey.html 5 records >> temp_weather.html 55 records >> temp_center.html 14 records >> temp_infosys.html 28 records >> temp_dept.html 4 records >> temp_society.html 26 records >> temp_agency.html 59 records >> temp_software.html 1 records >> temp_document_tools.html 14 records >> temp_preprint.html 19 records >> temp_abstracts.html 12 records >> temp_full_text.html 15 records >> temp_bibliography.html 4 records >> temp_library.html 3 records >> temp_other_library.html 5 records >> temp_people.html 106 records >> temp_personal.html 2 records >> temp_jobs.html 7 records >> temp_meetings.html 11 records >> temp_newsgroup.html 4 records >> temp_astroweb.html 21 records >> temp_other_astronomy.html 28 records >> temp_pictures.html 20 records >> temp_protocols.html 7 records >> temp_misc.html 9 records >> temp_earth.html 33 records >> temp_physics.html 20 records >> temp_comp_sci.html 1 records >> temp_cds.html ---------------------------------------------------- 1 unrecognized category codes: 1 cases of 'deleted' ---------------------------------------------------- temp_radio.html >> yp_observing.html temp_optical.html >> yp_observing.html temp_space.html >> yp_observing.html temp_solar.html >> yp_observing.html temp_survey.html >> yp_observing.html temp_weather.html >> yp_observing.html temp_center.html >> yp_data.html temp_infosys.html >> yp_data.html temp_dept.html >> yp_organization.html temp_society.html >> yp_organization.html temp_agency.html >> yp_organization.html temp_software.html >> yp_software.html temp_document_tools.html >> yp_software.html temp_preprint.html >> yp_library.html temp_abstracts.html >> yp_library.html temp_full_text.html >> yp_library.html temp_bibliography.html >> yp_library.html temp_library.html >> yp_library.html temp_other_library.html >> yp_library.html temp_people.html >> yp_people.html temp_personal.html >> yp_people.html temp_jobs.html >> yp_people.html temp_meetings.html >> yp_people.html temp_newsgroup.html >> yp_people.html temp_astroweb.html >> yp_astroweb.html temp_other_astronomy.html >> yp_astroweb.html temp_pictures.html >> yp_pictures.html temp_protocols.html >> yp_misc.html temp_misc.html >> yp_misc.html temp_earth.html >> yp_misc.html temp_physics.html >> yp_misc.html temp_comp_sci.html >> yp_misc.html temp_cds.html >> yp_misc.html ls -lg temp_*.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 122 Mar 8 21:33 temp_tail.html ls -lg yp_*.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 4421 Mar 8 21:34 yp_astronomy.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 6402 Mar 8 21:34 yp_astroweb.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 23242 Mar 8 21:34 yp_data.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 63317 Mar 8 21:33 yp_keys.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 27138 Mar 8 21:34 yp_library.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 155374 Mar 8 21:33 yp_master.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 20684 Mar 8 21:34 yp_misc.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 34476 Mar 8 21:34 yp_observing.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 15110 Mar 8 21:34 yp_organization.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 24285 Mar 8 21:34 yp_people.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 7351 Mar 8 21:34 yp_pictures.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 19410 Mar 8 21:34 yp_software.html touch temp_tail.html; /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk temp_tail.html > temp_tail.html; cat yp_master.html | dtsort.awk -v tail=temp_tail.html \ -v keys=yp_p_keys.html -v sort=protocol \ >yp_p_list.html dtsort executed by dwells on fits.cv at Tue Mar 8 21:34:43 EST 1994 577 resource records read. 0 resource records edited: The 'protocol'-sort keys have been generated. 4872 pointer-moves done by shellsort. 0 identical resource records deleted. (n=577) 0 similar resource records merged. (n=577) 2 lines copied from temp_tail.html. 577 resource records written. dtcheck.awk temp_tail.html; cat temp_tail.html head_astro_info_0.html \ >head_astro_info.html dtsplit.awk -v style=stecf > temp_preprint.html 19 records >> temp_abstracts.html 20 records >> temp_bibliography.html 12 records >> temp_full_text.html 7 records >> temp_meetings.html 5 records >> temp_weather.html 4 records >> temp_society.html 104 records >> temp_radio.html 95 records >> temp_center.html 28 records >> temp_pictures.html 60 records >> temp_software.html 5 records >> temp_people.html 2 records >> temp_jobs.html 41 records >> temp_protocols.html ---------------------------------------------------- 8 unrecognized category codes: 20 cases of 'comp_sci' 1 cases of 'cds' 11 cases of 'newsgroup' 9 cases of 'earth' 7 cases of 'misc' 106 cases of 'personal' 1 cases of 'deleted' 33 cases of 'physics' ---------------------------------------------------- temp_preprint.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_abstracts.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_bibliography.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_full_text.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_meetings.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_weather.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_society.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_radio.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_center.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_pictures.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_software.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_people.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_jobs.html >> yp_astro_info.html temp_protocols.html >> yp_astro_info.html dtnodd.awk temp_astro_info.html 468 blocks read 241
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segments deleted mv temp_astro_info.html yp_astro_info.html mv merged.html merged_save.html rm -f merged.html touch merged.html # cp -p yp_master.html merged.html cp -p yp_p_list.html merged.html ls -lg merged.html -rw-r--r-- 1 dwells aipspgmr 155009 Mar 8 21:35 merged.html rm -f ../yp_*.html cp -p yp_*.html .. Compilation finished at Tue Mar 8 21:37:00 From dwells Wed Mar 9 13:55:38 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["276" "Wed" " 9" "March" "1994" "13:55:31" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU" nil "10" "Re: [pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server]" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 9 10/276 " thread-indent "\"Re: [pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server]\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13027; Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:55:38 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:55:31 EST From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403091855.AA13016@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: [pilger@wirth.IFA.Hawaii.Edu: HTTP server] In-Reply-To: <9403081907.AA00154@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> References: <9403081907.AA00154@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, etal., > Resource - NASA Infrared Telescope Facility WWW Home Page > URL - http://irtf.ifa.hawaii.edu/ What is being done with these reports of new resources? Are they being added to any database anywhere? If "yes", in what format, and are they accessible? -Don From astroweb-request Thu Mar 10 03:31:07 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["295" "Thu" "10" "March" "1994" "09:30:54" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "12" "Encyclopedia Britannica on-line!" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 10 12/295 " thread-indent "\"Encyclopedia Britannica on-line!\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14297; Thu, 10 Mar 94 03:31:07 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403100830.AA25318@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 09:30:54 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU, rfosbury@eso.org (Bob Fosbury), fmurtagh@eso.org (Fionn Murtagh) From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Encyclopedia Britannica on-line! Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The Encyclopeadia Britannica 15th edition is available as beta release on-line: http://www.eb.com/eb.htm The WWW node contains public and "private" files, and, as you might suspect, one has to be registered to gain access to the private ones. The URL above is public. Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Thu Mar 10 03:59:59 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1261" "Thu" "10" "March" "1994" "09:59:47" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "33" "meterological information on the Internet" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 10 33/1261 " thread-indent "\"meterological information on the Internet\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14325; Thu, 10 Mar 94 03:59:59 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403100859.AA25821@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 09:59:47 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: meterological information on the Internet Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Archive-Name: auto/sci.geo.meteorology/New-WWW-Server-at-the-FU-Berlin-Meteorology ANNOUNCEMENT The Department of Meteorology at the Free University of Berlin is proud to announce its WWW server. We offer an index of sources for meteorological data on the Internet sorted by continent, manner of data and server-type. In addition we provide weather observations from Berlin and Meteosat pictures received from the University of Nottingham. For users from the FU Berlin we also offer latest radar images. Other documents contain information about the met-stud mailing list and we have links to other servers which have interesting documents available. The entry point is http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/ We have an page in English at http://www.met.fu-berlin.de/english/ Comments, suggestions and corrections should be sent to www@www.met.fu-berlin.de Axel Fraedrich, Dennis Schulze www@www.met.fu-berlin.de -- Dennis Schulze Email: dennis@bibo.met.fu-berlin.de Institut fuer Meterologie Hamrun is a town on Malta - very pleasant FU Berlin place on the 2nd Sunday of August #include From astroweb-request Thu Mar 10 04:05:28 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2618" "Thu" "10" "March" "1994" "10:05:02" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "85" "EB home page" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 10 85/2618 " thread-indent "\"EB home page\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14343; Thu, 10 Mar 94 04:05:28 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403100904.AA26020@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:05:02 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: EB home page Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The Uniform Resource Locator for this document is: http://www.eb.com/eb.html Britannica Online

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Do any of you know anything about it? -Don From astroweb-request Mon Mar 14 01:30:52 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2169" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "07:30:49" "+0100" "anton koekemoer) (by way of adorf@eso.org\n (Hans-Martin Adorf)" "anton@mso.anu.edu.au" nil "37" "Re: invitation" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U anton koekemoer) Mar 14 37/2169 " thread-indent "\"Re: invitation\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07767; Mon, 14 Mar 94 01:30:52 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403140630.AA05194@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 07:30:49 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: Re: invitation Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Hans-Martin, Thanks very much for your invitation; I'd be most interested in joining the consortium as well as being added to the email exploder. The tools you mentioned sound very useful in maintaining up-to-date versions of these lists. Perhaps it would be useful if I told you the story of why I initially created the list - it started off as a hotlist that grew too big :). While the STScI and NRAO lists were in no way incomplete, I found that I needed a concise list of places, not sorted by the type of service (http, ftp, gopher, wais) since these often mean duplications and they also change. Initially all the places were simply listed alphabetically and not by country, although similar names such as NRAO/MRAO mean that country-sorting is rather useful. I also thought long and hard about separating the list into optical/radio/other, but decided that since many institutions do multi-waveband research (many people, in fact) such distinctions may be hazy and therefore I never did this. Since then, Don Wells sorted his list in that way and the classifications have turned out to be somewhat more straightforward than I'd imagined. My own distinction between 'telescopes' and 'observatories' is also rather indefinite; basically a 'telescope' is a place where the permanent residents are mainly technical and support staff and all observers are temporary, while 'observatories' are closer to institutions in that they have permanent academic research staff. Somewhat semantic I guess. I've not sorted the telescopes by country since many of the sites have multi-national telescopes as well as multiple telescopes belonging to different countries. Even telescope location is difficult with things such as EVN. I would be very interested in participating in any discussions currently being held regarding astronomy information on the net, since I feel that the current lists all have their own particular merits. Would it also be possible for me to find somewhere a summary of the email discussions to date? cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Mon Mar 14 01:38:57 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["220" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "07:38:57" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "9" "http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 14 9/220 " thread-indent "\"http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07784; Mon, 14 Mar 94 01:38:57 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403140638.AA05219@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 07:38:57 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Friends, since a few days I can't access this list of astronomy resources any more. Does anyone of you know whether the server is simply down (unlikeliy) or whether this resource list has been retracted? Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Mon Mar 14 05:52:11 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["322" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "11:53:10" "+0100" "D. egret" "egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr" nil "11" "CNIDR" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U D. egret Mar 14 11/322 " thread-indent "\"CNIDR\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08876; Mon, 14 Mar 94 05:52:11 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 11:53:10 +0100 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9403141053.AA17300@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: CNIDR Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hans-Martin: > http://kudzu.cnidr/astronomy.html > since a few days I can't access this list of astronomy resources any more. > Does anyone of you know whether the server is simply down (unlikeliy) or > whether this resource list has been retracted? Try http://kudzu.cnidr.org/astronomy.html It works for me... Daniel From dwells Mon Mar 14 08:28:15 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["3501" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "08:28:13" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "85" "Re: invitation" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 14 85/3501 " thread-indent "\"Re: invitation\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09003; Mon, 14 Mar 94 08:28:15 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 08:28:13 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403141328.AA08997@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: invitation In-Reply-To: <9403140630.AA05194@ns3.hq.eso.org> References: <9403140630.AA05194@ns3.hq.eso.org> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Anton (etal.), anton koekemoer) (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) writes: > Dear Hans-Martin, > Thanks very much for your invitation; I'd be most interested in joining > the consortium as well as being added to the email exploder. .. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DONE. current list is: Don Wells Bob Jackson Hans-Martin Adorf Andre HECK Daniel Egret anton koekemoer > ... Would it also be > possible for me to find somewhere a summary of the email > discussions to date? file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/traffic/astroweb/ This directory contains all of the traffic transmitted by the astroweb Email exploder since its creation about six weeks ago. Much other discussion occurred in private Email. -*- I am very pleased that you accepted our invitation, Anton. I am impressed by your list, especially by your list of lists and your 'observing schedule' category, which is not represented in any of the four lists already in our master database. I agree that our multiple styles are all valid. I also agree that it is often hard to decide what are the appropriate classification categories. Our current master merged resource list is http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html (AKA yp_topzone.html) You are welcome to use the master list in any way you see fit. It is the combination of four lists: STScI, ST-ECF, NRAO and CDS. The format of the master was agreed in the first negotiation of the group, about six weeks ago. It is most similar (although not identical) to the STScI style. I transformed the four original files into the agreed exchange format; my fingers are now well-trained, and will be willing and able to translate your list too. The fact that we have a standard format for the database, in HTML, does not mean that presentations of the data must be in the same format. For example, page http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_astro_info.html is most of the records in the database formatted in a style which is very similar to Hans-Martin's ST-ECF list. This page was computed by the 'stecf' option of the Makefile file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/Makefile which invokes program file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/dtsplit.awk plus programs dtsort.awk and dtnodd.awk in the same directory. You are, of course, welcome to use this software in any way that you see fit. You are also welcome to invent new programs! The fact that there is currently a unique master file does not necessarily mean that there must be only one master file. The important thing is the standard exchange format for resource records. Program dtsort.awk was designed to merge resource lists. The idea is that two files can be concatenated (with Unix 'cat') and dtsort.awk will sort the concatenated file and will delete duplicate records. This means that multiple people can edit the same file, each working on their own copy of it, and that each can independently collect and merge the files maintained by other people. Regards, Don Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA From astroweb-request Mon Mar 14 08:49:04 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["178" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "14:48:58" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "10" "ESO on-line information services" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 14 10/178 " thread-indent "\"ESO on-line information services\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09024; Mon, 14 Mar 94 08:49:04 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403141348.AA09880@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 14:48:58 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: ESO on-line information services Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Friends, if your time allows, please have a look at the new ESO information service under construction: http:/www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html Comments welcome. Hans-Martin From dwells Mon Mar 14 16:10:57 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["2229" "Mon" "14" "March" "1994" "16:10:55" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "52" "Re: invitation" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 14 52/2229 " thread-indent "\"Re: invitation\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09911; Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:10:57 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:10:55 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403142110.AA09905@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: invitation In-Reply-To: <9403141320.AA17292@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9403141320.AA17292@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Anton, anton koekemoer writes: > .. You may feel free > to take my list and incorporate it with what you currently have, .. I have placed a copy of your page in my working area and will begin to edit it. The process will take a few days, perhaps a week. I will post to 'astroweb' when I have merged your data with ours. > .. I > would suspect that by this stage I'd have very few new resources to add.. That is not what I expect. You were invited to join us because several of us looked at your list and saw data that we knew we didn't already have. Just from inspection of your list and from my knowledge of the current master list, I expect at least 50 new records and will not be surprised if the number is over 100. The reason that our current list has 569 records is because it was made from *four* lists. Each merger added 100+ records. I interpret these facts to mean that none of us approached completeness, and that the merged list is still incomplete. My present guess is that with our combined efforts our master list will reach ~1000 records within six months. Not only did we add records, we each added categories! You are continuing that pattern with your schedule and lists-of-lists categories. Also, our styles are subtly different, and that is also valuable. > .. URL http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html - is this > the current up-to-date mega-list? .. Yes. I renamed the files several days ago, but for backwards compatibility I aliased 'yp_master' to 'yp_topzone', one of the three sort orders which are provided: yp_topzone.html keys=URLs in "JANET" order yp_protoname.html keys=protocol+name yp_name.html keys=name Currently I edit a file which is in the 'protoname' order, but I can change that easily if some other order would be more convenient. Also, it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the files in file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/ especially the Makefile and the dt*.awk programs. This directory is where I work on the database. You are welcome to use the Makefile and programs for any purpose you wish. I hope that you will find the bugs, add new features, and produce better programs in whatever language you prefer. -Don From astroweb-request Tue Mar 15 06:47:14 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1552" "Tue" "15" "March" "1994" "21:46:32" "EST" "anton koekemoer" "anton@mso.anu.edu.au" nil "34" "master list" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U anton koekemoer Mar 15 34/1552 " thread-indent "\"master list\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11882; Tue, 15 Mar 94 06:47:14 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:46:32 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403151146.AA19147@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: master list Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don Wells writes: > ... > it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the > files in > > file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/ Unfortunately this URL doesn't work for me; one that does is: file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/ (by looking at the anon ftp tree) - is this the same one? It has all the relevant files. I've copied the Makefile and been playing with it and the awk scripts, which are all very nice. (- by the way is it possible please to put the file /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk in the astroweb directory as well?) What's the current procedure for adding new features to (and removing bugs from) the Makefile and awk scripts - is there an anon ftp 'incoming area' where the most recent Makefile and awk scripts can be put/got by any of us, or is there one maintainer (Don?) who takes suggestions and modifies the files, or incorporates our new files into the system. Similarly for new sites - could we all add them to yp_protoname.html, or do we just advertise their existence on this email exploder? I may well start looking at making an 'MSSSO' style - it could consist of a list of one-liners, a bit like what I've had till now (listing homepage, ftp, gopher access after the name of each site), but adding the feature that clicking on the name of a site brings up its descriptive paragraph. It may serve as a kind of index. All the raw data for it would come (currently) from yp_protoname.html, I'll try to integrate it with the current scheme of things. cheers, - anton. From dwells Tue Mar 15 08:35:18 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["14044" "Tue" "15" "March" "1994" "08:35:00" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "396" "Re: master list" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 15 396/14044 " thread-indent "\"Re: master list\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA12009; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:35:18 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:35:00 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403151335.AA12003@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: master list In-Reply-To: <9403151146.AA19147@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9403151146.AA19147@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > Don Wells writes: > > it would be easy to generate other sort orders. Take a look at the > > files in > > file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/ > Unfortunately this URL doesn't work for me; one that does is: > file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/ Sigh... you are correct. The FTP path must include '/fits', whereas the HTTP path is rooted at /fits/. > .. please.. put > the file /home/fits/dwells/bin/getdate.awk in the astroweb directory.. DONE. > .. procedure for adding new features to (and removing bugs > from) the Makefile and awk scripts.. No procedure -- I merely hope that you will put your code with improvements in a place where I can see it! At the moment I see no reason for formality. If you are able to execute the code on your computer, I suggest that you do so. If you make improvements, or if you invent other programs (perhaps in other languages), tell 'astroweb' about them. > .. Similarly for new sites - could we > all add them to yp_protoname.html, or do we just advertise their > existence on > this email exploder? IMHO, if we try to maintain one unique master file at a central site it will lead to frustration. The strategy that I have been advocating, and which was the basis of the design of the AWK programs, is that there will be multiple master files, at multiple sites, all in the same format, and with many identical resource records. Many (all?) of the consortium sites will maintain copies of the master file, and will read the master files from the other sites periodically and merge changes with their own changes. If you maintain your own yp_protoname, and make it available via anonFTP, I will code a crontab FTP daemon that will fetch your file every day and will compare it against the previous file to generate a report for me on changes you have made. You won't need to tell me by Email --- my daemon will tell me! It will also tell me about changes made by other consortium members. I can watch such reports to decide for myself when there are enough interesting changes to justify taking the time to integrate the changes into my own copy of the master file. One great advantage of this strategy is that each of us will be independently reviewing the changes, correcting the errors, and taking personal responsibility for all of the information. I.e., this design implies distributed quality control, no single point of failure. My suggestion of a daily FTP daemon is not theoretical --- I have had such a daemon running for six months to fetch "Series-7" earth rotation reports from the US Naval Observatory. The script differences successive retrieved files to detect the weekly editions of the report (which usually are issued on Thursdays). The program is robust against a variety of failure modes. I know that Bob has some similar technology, because my httpd log shows that he is fetching my master file every day. I append my IERS daemon (coded in the Bourne shell language) for your amusement. > .. an 'MSSSO' style - it could consist of a > list of one-liners, .. (listing homepage, ftp, > gopher access after the name of each site.. adding.. feature.. > clicking.. brings up... descriptive paragraph. This is exactly the kind of innovation that I have been anticipating. Bob's searchable version is another (it is significantly better than a plain WAIS server). "The purpose of standardization is to aid the creative craftsman, not to enforce the common mediocrity." > .. raw data for it.. > yp_protoname.html.. Right. In the opening round of negotiations we agreed on an exchange format. I argued that it should be HTML, mainly so that Mosaic can display the files directly. I asserted that records can be parsed in HTML about as easily as in any other language. My AWK programs are parsing the resource records in a variety of ways. Rearranging the data into an entirely different style will be quite practical. -Don -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- iers_s7_update.sh -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/bin/sh # # iers_s7_update.sh -- a shell script to fetch the latest IERS report # D.Wells, NRAO-CV, October1993. # # set environment variable EDITOR to your favorite editor, then # execute "crontab -e" and insert a line similar to this one: # 19 5 * * 2-6 /fits/dwells/bin/iers_s7_update.sh # which will cause the crontab daemon to run the script as the owner # at 05:19am on days 2 (Tuesday) through 6 (Saturday). The current # crontab can always be reviewed by issuing command "crontab -l". If # the script fails it will Email an error report to $OWNER. # # The following command turn on debugging of shell script. #set -x # NUMSAVE=9 # FTPHOST=maia.usno.navy.mil FTPUSER=anonymous FTPPASS='vlba_cx@nrao.edu' FTPPATH=/ser7/ FTPFILE=ser7 FTPCLASS=.dat FTPFULL=$FTPPATH$FTPFILE$FTPCLASS # DESTPATH=$HOME/ser7/ DESTFILE=$FTPFILE DESTCLASS=$FTPCLASS DESTFULL=$DESTPATH$DESTFILE$DESTCLASS LOGFILE=$DESTPATH$DESTFILE.log OWNER=dwells # echo "`date` $0" >>$LOGFILE rm -f $DESTPATH$DESTFILE.prv ftp -n $FTPHOST >>$LOGFILE 2>&1 <>$LOGFILE rm -f $DESTFULL.tmp else #--------------------------------------------------------------- # A new copy of the file was fetched: echo "" >>$DESTFULL.tmp diff $DESTFULL.tmp $DESTFULL >$DESTFULL.dif if [ -s $DESTFULL.dif ] then # shift the names of the saved files: mv $DESTFULL $DESTFULL.0 I=$NUMSAVE while true do IP=`expr $I - 1` if [ -f $DESTFULL.$IP ] then mv -f $DESTFULL.$IP $DESTFULL.$I fi I=$IP if [ "$I" -eq 0 ] then break fi done mv -f $DESTFULL.tmp $DESTFULL ls -lg $DESTFULL >>$LOGFILE else echo " " >>$LOGFILE fi rm -f $DESTFULL.dif $DESTFULL.tmp # # +--------------------------+ # | do something useful here | # +--------------------------+ fi #--------------------------------------------------------------- # Filter and truncate the logfile for this daemon: awk '((NF>0)&&($1!~/pattern1/)&&($1!~/pattern2/))' $LOGFILE \ | tail -100 >${LOGFILE}2 rm -f $LOGFILE mv ${LOGFILE}2 $LOGFILE From astroweb-request Tue Mar 15 19:35:26 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13869; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:35:26 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:34:47 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403160034.AA11899@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: master list Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don Wells writes: > > ... If you maintain your own yp_protoname, and make it available > via anonFTP, I will code a crontab FTP daemon that will fetch your > file every day and will compare it against the previous file to > generate a report for me on changes you have made... Sounds good. How about doing this for all the files in the astroweb directory. I've now got my anon ftp set up, take a look at the URL file://mso.anu.edu.au/pub/anton/astroweb/ - One addition I've made is to add the UT date of last modification to the top of scripts. Plus a couple of other changes. I'll also maintain two directories, the final 'production' one in the anon ftp area and a 'develop' one elsewhere. It may also be useful to keep our astroweb directories as single tarfiles, putting them in the same ftp directory as the astroweb/ directory. Just for reference, our HTTP area is not the same as our anon ftp area (due to machine load considerations) although I'll keep identical http files in both areas. The difference is that the anon ftp area will have all the extra astroweb stuff as well (Makefile, etc). For Mosaic stuff, use URLs along the lines of: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/www/ cheers, - anton From astroweb-request Wed Mar 16 21:02:28 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16132; Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:02:28 EST Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:01:32 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403170201.AA08586@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: master list Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I wrote: > - One addition I've made is to add the UT date of last modification to the top > of scripts ... Just a clarification - by "scripts" I'm referring to the awk scripts and Makefile, not the html databases since getdate.awk already does that. Having this information at the top of the awk scripts will simply be useful for keeping track of changes if we all start running the same scripts. (for example - I've made a change to getdate.awk so it figures out who's doing the changes and puts an appropriate comment at the end of the yp_*.html files). cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Wed Mar 16 21:04:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16149; Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:04:30 EST Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:03:40 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403170203.AA08605@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: ESO on-line information services Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hans-Martin writes: > Friends, > if your time allows, please have a look at the new ESO information service > under construction: http:/www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html Unfortunately I've not been able to access http://www.hq.eso.org/ ('Error: server not accessible or refusing to serve document etc etc') - the only URL that works for me is: http://ecf.hq.eso.org/ and this doesn't have the file eso-homepage.html. What should I try? cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Thu Mar 17 00:53:18 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16264; Thu, 17 Mar 94 00:53:18 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403170550.AA29467@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: ESO URLs Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 06:50:50 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Anton, Try: href=http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html or href=http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html They worked for me, although I had also trouble with my first attempt a couple of days ago. AH. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dwells Thu Mar 17 11:30:57 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA17554; Thu, 17 Mar 94 11:30:57 EST Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 11:30:55 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403171630.AA17548@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: forwarded message from Peter Mueller Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934) ------- From: Peter Mueller To: dwells@NRAO.EDU Subject: Mosaic Home Page Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:05:53 MEZ Hi, Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie in Bonn new has its own Mosaic home page. You will find it under: http://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/index.html This pages are still under construction! Peter - -- ___ ___ _____ ___ _____ | Peter Mueller /__/\ /__/| /____/\ /__/| /____/\ | Max-Planck-Institut f. Radioastronomie | \ \ /| || | o \/ | || | o \/ | Auf dem Huegel 69 | |\ \//| || | __/ | ||f| __/ | D-53121 Bonn / Germany | ||\_/ | || | || | || | |\ \ | Telefon : +49 228 525 433 |__|/ |__|/ |__|/ |__|/ |__|/\_| | Telefax : +49 228 525 229 | Internet: peter@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de ------- end ------- From astroweb-request Thu Mar 17 11:31:02 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA17566; Thu, 17 Mar 94 11:31:02 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403171630.AA18918@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:30:38 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: Keith R. Crosley (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: IDL Info on World Wide Web Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Colleague: You may be interested to know about a new source for information about IDL on the internet. Research Systems now has a number of hypertext pages containing information about IDL on the World Wide Web. These pages can be accessed through Mosaic, or other Web browsers, at the following URL: http://sslab.colorado.edu:2222/projects/IDL/idl_ssl_home.html They include technical information about IDL, pricing and distributor information, a gallery of images that you can download, and links to the IDL ftp site. The pages are part of an ongoing project at the NASA Software Support Laboratory that is compiling information about a number of scientific visualization products. I welcome your comments and suggestions about the IDL Web pages at the email address shown below. Sincerely, Keith R. Crosley ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith R. Crosley Director, Technical Communication Email: keith@rsinc.com Research Systems, Inc. 2995 Wilderness Place Boulder, CO 80301 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Fri Mar 18 21:30:17 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["9890" "Sat" "19" "March" "1994" "12:29:42" "EST" "anton koekemoer" "anton@mso.anu.edu.au" nil "250" "Re: ESO on-line information services" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U anton koekemoer Mar 19 250/9890 " thread-indent "\"Re: ESO on-line information services\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20315; Fri, 18 Mar 94 21:30:17 EST Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 12:29:42 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403190229.AA02182@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: fmurtagh@eso.org Subject: Re: ESO on-line information services Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Fionn Murtagh writes: > ... Access should be okay now. I.e. > either http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html This now works fine for me, thanks. > or http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html This still doesn't, but probably http.hq.eso.org is the proper one to use. > ... > The problem was at a router (I think in ESOC in Darmstadt), which > apparently has been put right. Thanks for checking out the problem; looks like it's a matter of luck :) It's quite a comprehensive homepage, I look forward to seeing all the 'TBD' features implemented, particularly regarding telescope / observing information. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Fri Mar 18 21:38:19 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20332; Fri, 18 Mar 94 21:38:19 EST Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 12:37:16 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403190237.AA02315@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: fmurtagh@eso.org Subject: Re: ESO on-line information services Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I stand corrected - they both work for me. http://http.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html http://www.hq.eso.org/eso-homepage.html Normally I keep quiet when URLs don't work, unless it stretches into several days. - anton. From astroweb-request Sun Mar 20 09:23:16 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA24191; Sun, 20 Mar 94 09:23:16 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 00:22:41 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403201422.AA13012@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: classification scheme Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU hi Don, Here's a suggestion concerning the category codes - how about a file summarising the definition of each category code? There are some fine distinctions, often semantic, but such a guide might at least help clarify things a bit. I'm currently playing with an 'mssso' format based on using yp_protoname.html and I'm finding a few difficulties reconciling this with my previous classifications. For example, is the AAO (Epping) an institute, a department, an observatory or a telescope?... Currently it's listed as 'optical' (telescope?) which I find somewhat hazy, since it would be in the same category as AAT yet they serve quite different purposes. On some lists it is useful to have them next to each other, but on others they should be in separate categories. How about this: 1. Keep the current classification of optical, radio, space, solar but recognise that these are subsets of the classification 'telescope' defined as: Telescope: where actual observing is done. Permanent staff are mostly technical and/or support, observers are generally temporary and come from other cities/countries. 2. Add the above classification subsets to departments as well. Define departments/institutes as: Departments and Institutes: where academic/research staff are permanently located. May or may not administer telescopes, either on-site or remotely. (Yet another subclassification - departments are affiliated with universities, while institutes are not? ie split into dept / inst. I'm not sure if this one would be useful.) Here would be some examples of classification under the above scheme: MSSSO: dept optical SSO: telescope optical ATNF: inst radio ATCA: telescope tadio Mopra: telescope radio AAO: inst optical AAT: telescope optical NRAO (Charlottesville): inst radio VLA: telescope radio etc... This would give somewhat more freedom, ie all the optical places could still be lumped together, or they could be split into departments / telescopes. If an institution administers both optical and radio telescopes (rare) perhaps they could both be listed, with the more dominant one (eg optical) first: : dept optical radio The above is not meant as a concrete example, rather just as a sort of starting point for thinking more carefully about the classification scheme. I don't know if it is in fact worth spending time on since there will always be grey areas no matter how we define things - what's important is to reduce them to only a handful. But it would at least be useful to define the current classifications, perhaps adding some more freedom to them. cheers, - anton. From dwells Sun Mar 20 21:38:06 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA24504; Sun, 20 Mar 94 21:38:06 EST Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 21:38:04 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403210238.AA24498@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: classification scheme In-Reply-To: <9403201422.AA13012@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9403201422.AA13012@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > Here's a suggestion concerning the category codes - how about a file > summarising the definition of each category code? There are some fine > distinctions, often semantic, but such a guide might at least help clarify > things a bit. Good idea. You sound like you are volunteering! The codes which are currently in the file were not planned, and I put no great thought into their choice or their definition. I simply wanted to reproduce the existing lists, and putting codes in the file enabled me to do that. As I did so I was quite aware of the ambiguities. I made decisions one by one as I edited the file. Many of the decisions were made quickly, as snap judgements. It is certain that I made mistakes. I noticed that many of the resources could and should be classified into more than one category, and so I inserted multiple codes in many of the records. As a result, you will find the same record appearing in more than one of my subject-oriented pages. I have been planning to regard the first code in a list as the 'primary' classification, and to produce a file sorted on primary_code_plus_name. > .., is the AAO (Epping) an > institute, a department, an observatory or a telescope?... I consider it to be an optical-oriented institute, so I agree with your proposed codes (see below). > 1. Keep the current classification of optical, radio, space, solar.. > .. subsets of the classification 'telescope' .. Sure. We could invent a code 'telescope' and make it the primary code for pages that are associated with actual telescopes. The optical/radio/space... codes could be secondary codes. > 2. Add the above classification subsets to departments as well... > Departments and Institutes: where academic/research staff are.. Reasonable. I believe that you will find instances in the current database which already fit these rules (e.g., Utrecht and [probably] Calgary). > MSSSO: dept optical > SSO: telescope optical > ATNF: inst radio > ATCA: telescope tadio > Mopra: telescope radio > AAO: inst optical > AAT: telescope optical > NRAO (Charlottesville): inst radio > VLA: telescope radio > etc... These multiple-code classifications strike me as reasonable, proper and useful. In fact, I have -- to some extent -- already applied these rules in an informal fashion. > The above is.. a.. starting > point for thinking.. about the > classification scheme.. there will always be grey areas > no matter how we define things.. it would.. be useful to define the > current classifications.. I agree. I would welcome a URL to page defining the codes and their usage. If you want to change the names of any of the codes, say so. Now is a good time for such a change, because there is still only one working copy of the master database. -Don From astroweb-request Mon Mar 21 09:31:17 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25779; Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:31:17 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:31:12 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9403211431.AA27756@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: [udalski@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl: WWW Server] Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: udalski@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl (Andrzej Udalski) Subject: WWW Server To: rpss@stsci.edu Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:56:40 +0100 (MET) Organization: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory Address: Al. Ujazdowskie 4, 00-478 Warszawa, POLAND Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1406 Dear Sir, We have recently established a WWW server in our local network. We would greatly appreciate it if you could add information to your "Astronomical Internet Resources" under World Wide Web. I think taht the good title would be: "Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory". The server contains general information about our Observatory and the most up-to-date information on the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) -- a long-term, large scale photometric search for dark matter in our Galaxy using microlensing phenomena. Information on the side projects conducted parallely to the main search are also there. The internet address of our server is www.astrouw.edu.pl. It uses the default port number (80). URL to the Warsaw University Observatory home page would be: "http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/" URL to the OGLE page is: "http://www.astrouw.edu.pl/~udalski/ogle.html" Thank you in advance for your help in this matter Sincerely yours Andrzej Udalski **************************************************************************** Andrzej Udalski Internet: udalski@sirius.astrouw.edu.pl Warsaw University Observatory Bitnet: udalski@plwauw61.bitnet Al. Ujazdowskie 4 Voice: 48-22-294011 ext 10 00-478 Warszawa, POLAND FAX: 48-22-294967 **************************************************************************** From astroweb-request Mon Mar 21 09:35:37 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["3328" "Mon" "21" "March" "1994" "15:33:24" "+0100" "Andre HECK" "heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr" nil "78" "Classification of entries" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Andre HECK Mar 21 78/3328 " thread-indent "\"Classification of entries\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25805; Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:35:37 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403211433.AA22900@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Classification of entries Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:33:24 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hi Folks, I have been watching your discussion about classification codes and I have mixed feelings, again conditioned by my twenty years of directory compilation. Obviously, one code for one entry will never give a classification good enough for this entry. If you put several codes for one entry in order to cover its various activities or aspects, you might have to put so many that it will look like the spectral classifications by this good Philip Keenan: so many letters after the main spectral classification that it is almost equivalent to describe all the spectral features in the spectrum (= here your comment section for the entry). We think here that searching by key-words through a classification by countries would do (although this might be also tricky for international ventures: is AAO UK or Australia? is ESA-La Silla Chili, Europe or what? - and there are so many definitions of `Europe'). Institutional or organizational profiles do change also with time, or according to the person that provides you with the information (here the person that sets up the pages). You can expect some problems in the future as Mosaic will become more popular. If you put on line a page with your codes in order to help people, you can expect also a number of reactions. As to my directories, my own coding remains hidden and for internal use only. I have, for research institutions, inflections if they have space activities, if they are also computer-oriented,i if they deal with Earth sciences, and so on, but nothing as specialized as optical, radio, telescope, etc. All the best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Mon Mar 21 11:47:09 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA26007; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:47:09 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403211646.AA29426@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 17:46:40 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: WWW conference Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, as you are presumably aware there is a WWW conference upcoming in May at CERN and Fionn Murtagh and I tossed around the idea of one of us going there and presenting a paper on WWW in astronomy. We discussed two options: 1. describe the activities of the astroweb consortium (of which Fionn is not yet a member). 2. describe the ST-ECF, ESO and possibly STScI webs, experiences, tools, etc. What is your opinion about option 1? Would you like to see the current astroweb activities advertised? We need a quick decision since abstracts are due by the end of this month. Cheers Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Tue Mar 22 05:10:00 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["9286" "Tue" "22" "March" "1994" "11:07:48" "+0100" "Andre HECK" "heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr" nil "284" "AstroWeb advertising" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Andre HECK Mar 22 284/9286 " thread-indent "\"AstroWeb advertising\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA01293; Tue, 22 Mar 94 05:10:00 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403221007.AA10329@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: AstroWeb advertising Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 11:07:48 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I fully support the idea of advertising AstroWeb as soon as possible by papers (there could be one in the CDS Bulletin too - strict deadline: May 15) or communications. I suggest we include Fionn Murtagh as member of the group. Cheers, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dwells Tue Mar 22 07:11:35 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA02267; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:11:35 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:11:12 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403221211.AA02261@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Andre HECK Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb advertising In-Reply-To: <9403221007.AA10329@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> References: <9403221007.AA10329@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Andre HECK writes: > I fully support the idea of advertising AstroWeb as soon as possible > by papers (there could be one in the CDS Bulletin too - strict deadline: > May 15) or communications. I agree. Articles for the newsletters of our respective institutions are appropriate. I will be delighted to edit whatever text you produce and submit the result to the NRAO Newsletter for its next issue. I will also be delighted to add URLs for the text(s) to my pages. > I suggest we include Fionn Murtagh as member of the group. DONE. Fionn added to fitsbits.dis list. -Don PS-- I almost finished translating Anton's list last night. From astroweb-request Tue Mar 22 16:37:54 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA03316; Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:37:54 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:37:49 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9403222137.AA01189@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU
    Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory
    Contains general information about our Observatory and the most up-to-date information on the Optical Gravitational Lensing Experiment (OGLE) -- a long-term, large scale photometric search for dark matter in our Galaxy using microlensing phenomena.
    From astroweb-request Tue Mar 22 16:50:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA03348; Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:50:14 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:50:08 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9403222150.AA01199@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: IDL goes WWW Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU
    IDL from Research Systems, Inc. IDL
    Includes technical information about IDL, pricing and distributor information, a gallery of images that you can download, and links to the IDL ftp site. The pages are part of an ongoing project at the NASA Software Support Laboratory that is compiling information about a number of scientific visualization products.
    IDL (ftp)
    IDL Astronomy Library
    IDL FAQs (frequently asked questions)
    From dwells Tue Mar 22 21:38:06 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA03733; Tue, 22 Mar 94 21:38:06 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 21:38:00 EST From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403230238.AA03724@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory In-Reply-To: <9403222137.AA01189@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> References: <9403222137.AA01189@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU What a pleasure! I merely cut the text from the mail window and pasted it into the resource database window. Thanks! -Don From astroweb-request Wed Mar 23 01:04:15 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04422; Wed, 23 Mar 94 01:04:15 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:02:22 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9403230602.AA26315@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don Wells writes: > What a pleasure! I merely cut the text from the mail window and pasted > it into the resource database window. Thanks! -Don Yes, I like it too - Bob seems to have found a good way for us to advertise new sites we find. Here are the ones I've came across over the last week or so... I'm no longer adding anything to my astro page until the new master file comes out from NRAO. cheers, - anton.
    Universitaet Muenster, Astronomisches Institut (in German)
    University of Muenster, Astronomical Institute (in English)
    University of Washington
    Johns Hopkins University, FOS
    Laboratory for Computational Astrophysics
    The LCA develops and disseminates theoretical modeling software for astrophysics research.
    Ist. di Fisica Cosmica e Techn. Rel.
    Istituto per ricerche in Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative, Milan.
    Telescopio Nazionale Galileo
    The TNG (Galileo National Telescope) is a Project of the Italian Astronomical community. TNG headquarters (TNG Project Scientist is Cesare Barbieri ) is housed in the Padova Observatory.
    General Relativity around the world
    From astroweb-request Wed Mar 23 04:47:11 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04523; Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:47:11 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403230946.AA27089@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:46:42 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: Rudi Albrecht (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: X-Ray World Wide Web Server Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU In article , mancini@fysik.uu.se (Derrick C. Mancini) writes: > This is the first announcement about the availability of the X-Ray > World Wide Web Server and Anonymous FTP site. The Server makes available > bibliographies and databases related to x-ray spectroscopic physics. > In particular, the Henke database of atomic scattering factors can be > downloaded. Also, this is the site for the Atomic and Molecular Core- > Edge Excitation Database and Bibliography, compiled originally by > A.P. Hitchcock, and prepared by Hitchcock and Mancini for electronic > distribution (COREXDB). > > The X-Ray WWW Server is still under development. A simple bibliographic > search mechanism has been implemented for the COREX bibliography. A > visualization mechanism is currently being developed to allow Web Browsers > to preview datafiles as in-line GIFs before choosing to download. > > Feedback is encouraged. The URL: > http://xray.uu.se/ > > The X-Ray WWW Server has been made possible in part by the support > of the Department of Physics at Uppsala University in Sweden. > > > -- > Derrick C. Mancini - The XRAYMAN > Fysiska Institutionen - Uppsala Universitet > Box 530 S751 21 Uppsala Sverige > mancini@fysik.uu.se > --------------------------------------------- > "Are we having fun yet?" - Zippy > From dwells Wed Mar 23 08:17:55 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["12521" "Wed" "23" "March" "1994" "08:17:42" "EST" "Don Wells" "dwells" nil "284" "Re: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Don Wells Mar 23 284/12521 " thread-indent "\"Re: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05692; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:17:55 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:17:42 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9403231317.AA05686@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Warsaw University Astronomical Observatory In-Reply-To: <9403230602.AA26315@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9403230602.AA26315@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > Here are the ones I've came across over the last week or so... DONE. Added to the master file (Bob's records were added too). > [waiting] until the new master file comes out from NRAO. I work on it each day. I finished translating your database and accepted the merger of it with the master. The redundant records were combined automatically, and I am now hand-editing those cases. This process is now 20% done. I estimate 3 more days. The preliminary indication is that the file has about 75 more unique records than before the MSSSO was added. Previous total was about 575, new total will be about 650. -Don From astroweb-request Wed Mar 23 09:29:42 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05760; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:29:42 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:29:37 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9403231429.AA01500@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: SUNY Stony Brook Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU
    SUNY Stony Brook Astronomy Group
    From astroweb-request Thu Mar 24 02:32:45 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06999; Thu, 24 Mar 94 02:32:45 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403240730.AA19466@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: AstroWeb announcement. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 08:30:20 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Friends, When are we going to announce officially AstroWeb through Mosaic and other media? I repeat my earlier proposal to have a short announcement put also in Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. as I am pretty sure James Lequeux would automatically publish it. This would allow us to `take date' (if this expression has a meaning in English), advertise the venture and prevent that so many incomplete lists pop up here and there. Don, I wonder whether you are not the best person to put an initial draft together by pasting bits and pieces from your earlier messages to most of us. You have been involved too from the very beginning. Would this take a long time? If not, I could something, but not before the second half of April. Cheers, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Thu Mar 24 06:10:10 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08100; Thu, 24 Mar 94 06:10:10 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403241109.AA10075@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 12:09:57 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Alan Emtage on Bunyip Cc: rhook@eso.org (Richard Hook) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hi All, > I'm working on trying to provide search capabilities for email discussion > group listings - initially I'm working on the List of Lists. I've just > added WAIS capabilities to our gopher, and one of the perennial user > questions concerns searching for email lists on a given topic. > > First, I'm wondering if anyone else has tackled this. My guess is that > someone probably has, but I didn't find any leads in the normal places. Just FYI, this comes under the scope of two interrelated projects. The first is the IAFA templates which (he says hopefully) should be sent up to FYI-class RFC status in the near future. Without going into it in great detail here the IAFA group of the IETF is chartered (along with other things) to create "cataloging" templates so that meta-data such of the kind you are talking about would have a standardized format on the network. The other project is the Bunyip Internet Directory Project (BIDP) which should be up in the next little while. I have included the annnouncement about this below. We are in the process of writing "quick-and-dirty" documents so that people are not required to read through the standards documents themselves, but for the moment they are all we have. Within the scope of the BIDP is the hope that we would be able to collect and maintain something akin to the List of Lists. Under our strucuture the list administrators themselves would maintain their own information about the mailing list and retrieval of this information would be automated. I don't believe that manual maintenance of this kind of data is feasible any longer.... the Internet is now too big for this kind of thing. Humans do however have a place in doing value added work as classifying and editing the raw information. -Alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Emtage, "The Left in Canada is more gauche Bunyip Information Systems than sinister" Montreal Canada -The Economist bajan@bunyip.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bunyip Internet Directory Project Over the next several months we at Bunyip Information Systems (creators of the archie directory system), will be running a pilot project to assess the viability of collecting additional data cataloging information directly from the Internet. Ultimately, this information will be made available to the Internet community via the distribution mechanisms now in place for the familiar archie anonymous FTP database. One of the biggest problems currently facing the use of the wealth of information now available on the Internet is locating the files, documents or services that you are looking for. While archie goes some way to addressing this problem, "cataloging" information such as contact information, abstracts, descriptions, keywords and access policies for the files and services are simply not available through simple filename searches. The problem of trying to keep this cataloging information up to date manually in such a dynamic environment is well illustrated by the current archie Software Description Database (or "whatis" database as it is more commonly known). We are asking you, the anonymous FTP archive site administrators and operators of Internet services to cooperate with us by preparing your information for automated gathering and serving. In doing so, we believe you will be supporting a data distribution model that is well suited to the Internet. Control over your content will remain with you, and the automatic preparation of additional information services will be made possible. The data served to the community will be updated when you change your own files. You need not tell us that you have these files: if you have asked to be part of the archie service in the past, this information will be automatically retrieved from your archive. Our project will use an extended version of the archie system to collect data "templates" on anonymous FTP archives. These templates will be automatically retrieved, collated and indexed into a form easily searchable by users on the network. Over the period of the pilot a number of search and retrieval techniques will be assessed to determine their usability. The hope is that the general user will be able to query this database and obtain descriptive information about freely available or Public Domain documents, images, sounds and services on the network...worldwide. In addition to the descriptions, the templates point the user to the source of the original data or service which may then be accessed. By filling out and making these templates available for retrieval, you can advertise the files and services available from your department or institution. The templates can be used to describe Services The archive can offer an overall description of each the various Internet services offered by your organization's systems, along with corresponding contact information. This description would then indicate whether the the parent organization offers such services as: o on-line library catalogues o Interactive online information services such as WAIS, gopher, Prospero, World Wide Web or archie o specialized information servers such as those providing weather, geographic information, newswire feeds etc. o Other information services People By putting non-sensitive personal contact information into the templates we hope to provide the start of the first truly global White Pages service: the ability to locate people anywhere on the network. Documents, Datasets, Mailing List Archives, USETNET Archives, Software Packages, Images and other Objects You might wish to make available a brief description of available software, documents, images, sounds, video, datasets, USENET archives and mailing list information through the anonymous FTP archive. A typical "services" template might look like this (no offense to the Census Bureau intended :-) Template-Type: SERVICES Name: Census Bureau information server Host-Name: census.ispy.gov Host-Port: 1234 Protocol: telnet Admin-Name: Jay Bond Admin-Postal: PO Box. 42, A Street Washington DC, USA 20001 Admin-Work-Phone: +1-202-222-3333 Admin-Work-Fax: +1 202 444 5555 Admin-Email: jb007@census.ispy.gov Description: This server provides information from the latest USA Census Bureau statistics (1990) Type "help" for more information. Authentication: Once connected type your email address at the "login:" prompt. No password is required. Registration: No formal registration is required Charging-Policy: There is no charge for the use of this service Access-Times: 9:00 EST / 17:00 EST Access-Policy: This service may not be used by sites in the Republic of the VTTS Keywords: census, population, 1990, statistics Last-Modified-Name: Miss Moneypenny Last-Modified-Email: m.moneypenny@census.ispy.gov Last-Modified-Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1970 12:00:00 GMT Note that the machine on which the actual service or documents reside need not be the same as that of the anonymous FTP archive: you may place these templates on any anonymous FTP archive. The template contains the date on where to locate the information itself. The templates to be used will be those constructed by the Internet Anonymous FTP Archives working group of the Internet Engineering Task Force. These documents describing the templates are available as Internet Drafts from the standard network repositories. They are also available from archive.cc.mcgill.ca in the pub/Network/iafa directory. The two files are draft-ietf-iafa-publish-00.txt and draft-ietf-iafa-templates-00.txt the templates themselves are generally extensible and you may add fields if you do not think that the ones provided suit your particular needs. Please do not be put off by the size of the documents: the first contains several examples explaining and illustrating how they are filled out; the second provides empty templates for you to use. Also, do not feel that you are obliged to complete one of every template or even every field in each template. We ask only that you document current practice at your site as completely as possible. If you have any questions about this project or suggestions about the templates, we would be happy to answer them. Please send mail to templates-info@bunyip.com Please feel free to redistribute this message to groups you think appropriate. From astroweb-request Thu Mar 24 06:51:37 1994 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["1608" "Thu" "24" "March" "1994" "12:51:27" "+0100" "Hans-Martin Adorf" "adorf@eso.org" nil "35" "TeX/LaTeX hook 2" nil nil nil "3" nil nil (number " " mark "U Hans-Martin Adorf Mar 24 35/1608 " thread-indent "\"TeX/LaTeX hook 2\"\n") nil] nil) Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08141; Thu, 24 Mar 94 06:51:37 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403241151.AA10610@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 12:51:27 +0100 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: TeX/LaTeX hook 2 Cc: rhook@eso.org (Richard Hook), fmurtagh@eso.org (Fionn Murtagh) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU In article <1994Mar22.192419.6103@cc.ic.ac.uk> arrigo@giga.ic.ac.uk (Arrigus) writes: > Hello, > > I am looking for an easy way to add a TeX/LaTeX hook to Mosaic which > will enable me to download the TeX sources of files on the SISSA condensed > matter archive and display them on the screen via xdvi. This would entail > grabbing the source (which Mosaic sees as binary and offers to save onto the > disc), passing it through latex and/or tex and then into xdvi for display on > screen. The reason for this is that the PS output is very rarely available in > the local fields of interest. > I had done this by applying patches to gopher ages ago but it wasn't > as complicated as Mosaic. I was wondering if anyone has y