From astroweb-request Fri Apr 1 08:43:50 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08864; Fri, 1 Apr 94 08:43:50 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404011341.AA27227@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU, creze@simbad.u-strasbg.fr Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: AstroWeb announcement Date: Fri, 01 Apr 94 15:41:38 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Friends, Sorry for my silence during some time, but pressure was on a few other things that are not quite out of the way yet. First of all, warmest congratulations to Don for his page -- and also for the illustration! A few quick words as we are preparing to announce AstroWeb to the world. Part of this was already communicated privately to some of you, and particularly to Don a few weeks ago. Once Don's package will be ready, we are willing to implement here a `permanently' updated mirror copy as an `AstroWeb service' with all appropriate credit. It would appear on the CDS homepage along with the other CDS services (then the pointer should harpoon the CDS homepage and not as currently my own list -- reachable anyway from this CDS homepage; we would let you know when the implementation would be ready in order to make the change). The advantages would be obviously to contribute to unload nrao from essentially European users and CDS customers, as well as to use these other CDS services as advertizing vectors (`teasers' in advertizing slang) towards AstroWeb. The synergy would work reciprocally. We would keep here my abbreviated and alphabetical lists for internal purpose and also because they include now a flexible search facility. These lists will be also continuously updated at the same time as contributing to update the AstroWeb master file through Don's updating forms. All the best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From dwells Sat Apr 2 23:11:59 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11469; Sat, 2 Apr 94 23:11:59 EST Return-Path: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 94 23:11:57 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404030411.AA11463@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: The merger is complete. In-Reply-To: <9403300335.AA02156@fits.cv.nrao.edu> References: <9403300204.AA22252@merlin.anu.edu.au> <9403300335.AA02156@fits.cv.nrao.edu> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, Four days ago Anton informed me that he had finished editing the database. I replied to him privately: Don Wells writes: > anton koekemoer writes: > > http://meteor.anu.edu.au.anton/astroweb/yp_topzones.html > > I got it and made it be ../astroweb/inp_mssso.html. I ran the > Makefile and it neatly merged our changes, including 4 records from > inp_incoming.html, the new forms input feature. The concatenated > input to dtsort.awk had 1322 records. The first pass of dtsort > deleted 550 identical records and merged 108 that were similar, to > yield 664 records. The next phase (protoname) merged one more record, > to give 663. So, I need to hand-edit those 109 records. > Probably I will be able to do that within the next 2-3 days. .. > Some of those 109 merged records are due to changes that I made. I have resolved all of the 'merged records' (MSSSO/NRAO differences). I also applied a set of URL changes that Bob sent me privately, and Daniel's personal URL record was included (he entered it with the form). The new master file (http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb/yp_master.html) contains 657 records in 185842 bytes. There are two significant changes in the database. First, occurrences of are now . Second, records describing telescopes now have 'telescope' as the first (primary) CATEGORY code. I intend to change my page of 'observing resources' to reflect this; in my resource list I will probably activate a page of astronomy 'disciplines' for the secondary codes like 'optical' and 'solar'. I have not yet released my new pages into production, because I want to get the Email form working, at least in a prototype version. Also, I want to create a page to describe the Consortium. I expect to be ready before April 6. -Don From astroweb-request Sun Apr 3 08:24:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13680; Sun, 3 Apr 94 08:24:14 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Apr 94 22:23:39 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404031223.AA29779@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb announcement Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Friends, Bob Jackson writes: > Does anyone have objections to: > Next Wednesday - April 6 no objection. Andre Heck writes: > Once Don's package will be ready, we are willing to implement here a > `permanently' updated mirror copy as an `AstroWeb service' with all > appropriate credit. It would appear on the CDS homepage along with the > other CDS services (then the pointer should harpoon the CDS homepage > and not as currently my own list... Yes, we'd also be willing to do this at Stromlo - effectively offering a local duplicate of Don's "astronomy.html" together with a variant of the current mssso list - it will be derived from the same set of yp_*.html database files. This duplication would take effect as soon as Don's happy to publicly release the AstroWeb files to the world. If anyone's interested, a beta-version of the new "mssso" style is under the URL http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astroweb/yp_astro_mssso.html - this was re-created today afresh from the new yp_topzone.html, after Don sent his announcement. The way it looks will still be changed somewhat (for a start, splitting it up into a few documents..). A few bugs also to be fixed. Its URL will be changed to the current "official" mssso list (pointed to in the new AstroWeb home page), which I'm no longer updating. The mechanics of updating such mirror copies could probably be taken care of by ftp daemons - new URLs could be entered into any of the astroweb "sites", and the resultant files periodically fetched (daily? weekly?) and merged by all sites in much the same way as Don (and myself) have been doing till now (though the ftp'ing to date has been manual not automatic). cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Sun Apr 3 08:43:42 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13705; Sun, 3 Apr 94 08:43:42 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Apr 94 22:43:19 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404031243.AA00171@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: The merger is complete. Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don Wells writes: > I have not yet released my new pages into production, because I want > to get the Email form working, at least in a prototype version... Just a thought for an extra feature at some stage - recording the email address (automatically?) of anyone who adds new entries using the first two forms. Then if URLs are mistyped or don't work we know who to ask for the correct ones. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Mon Apr 4 13:57:43 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16234; Mon, 4 Apr 94 13:57:43 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 13:57:34 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404041757.AA17917@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Draft announcement - Please comment Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The AstroWeb Consortium would like to announce a new World Wide Web resource: ASTROWEB which contains links to Internet Resources of use to the Astronomy community. AstroWeb is available at: http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astronomy.html http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck/url1.html http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html http://ecf.hq.eso.org/astro-resources.html http://stsci.edu/net-resources.html" This resource merges the resource listings maintained at CDS, MSSSO, NRAO, STECF, and STScI. This merging of effort should provide a more complete resource listing and should eliminate the need to check several different listings. Each resource is categorized, e.g., Radio Observatory, Optical Observatory, Data and Archive Center, ... Many resources have a paragraph describing the resource and containing links to other URLs. Different presentations of the resource listing are available, sorted by: Category Internet Domain Protocol and Name Name There is a searchable version merged resource listing, using a WAIS index. There are HTML forms by which new resources can be added and existing resources can be edited. All (well almost) the URL's are queried daily to identify which URL's no longer work and the merged listing is edited to reflect these changes. The AstroWeb Consortium members are: Hans-Martin Adorf Daniel Egret Andre Heck Bob Jackson Anton Koekemoer Fionn Murtagh Don Wells From nobody Tue Apr 5 00:08:21 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA17485; Tue, 5 Apr 94 00:08:21 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 00:08:17 EDT From: nobody@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Mismatched NFS ID's) Message-Id: <9404050408.AA17476@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, dwells@NRAO.EDU Subject: Test of adcrf Email form Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Don Wells @ fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8] This message mailed to 'astroweb' by 'adcrf' program. From nobody Tue Apr 5 10:08:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18972; Tue, 5 Apr 94 10:08:14 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 10:08:10 EDT From: nobody@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Mismatched NFS ID's) Message-Id: <9404051408.AA18963@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, dwells@NRAO.EDU Subject: Test#2 of AstroWeb Database Correction Report Form Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Don Wells @ fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8] Dear AstroWeb friends, My test#1 last night worked --- it transmitted to you, as well as sending a copy to me at the address I gave in the "Email" field. Therefore, I am nearly ready to go public. I expect to edit my top-level page somewhat today, and maybe to introduce a little piece of text on the history of this effort. I am likely to move the 'Radio Observatories' list into a separate page, and make 'Telescopes' the first item on my top-level page. These are minor things. The important thing is that I intend to release a new version sometime in the next 24 hours, *before* Bob's public announcement. My new version will use the 'trademark' name 'AstroWeb'. It appears to me that our group has a working consensus favoring this name. Furthermore, my new version will use the word 'Consortium', as in 'AstroWeb Consortium'. In private mail I mentioned to Anton that I was unsure whether we should call ourselves a 'Consortium', a 'Group' or a 'Collaboration'. Anton said he couldn't see any difference between the words for this purpose. As a native English speaker, I thank him for this observation. English has a redundant vocabulary and, for a variety of cultural and historic reasons, the duplicated terms often have slightly different meanings to native speakers of the language. Evidently much of this subtle modulation is invisible to the vast number who use the language as a practical tool. If anyone objects to 'Consortium' they should speak up sometime in the next 8-12 hours. Best regards, Don PS-- the messages from this 'CGI' script will appear to come from ' nobody@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Mismatched NFS ID's)'. This is telling us something about the user-id under which the local httpd daemon is executing. I am considering various fixes for this feature, and would be pleased to receive suggested fixes. From dwells Tue Apr 5 10:47:19 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA19151; Tue, 5 Apr 94 10:47:19 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 10:47:15 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404051447.AA19142@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, dwells@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu Subject: Test#3 (fix UserId?) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Donald C. Wells @ fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8] In response to my Test#2, Bob said: "in conf/httpd.conf, change "User nobody" to something like: "User dwells" It may even work." I made this change, and did 'kill -HUP ", and if we are right this test will appear to come from 'dwells'. -Don From www_server Tue Apr 5 11:48:27 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA19237; Tue, 5 Apr 94 11:48:27 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 11:48:23 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404051548.AA19228@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, dwells@quadra.gb.nrao.edu Subject: Test#4 (new dummy account) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Donald C. Wells @ fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8] Setting 'User dwells' makes CGI scripts run with my privileges, and this is a potential security problem. I have created a dummy account in /etc/passwd: www_server:*:3001:49:httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu::/bin/false and have set 'User www_server' and restarted httpd again. This should cause this test message to appear to come from the dummy account. This account does not own any files, or directories, so I expect there will be no security risk. -Don From astroweb-request Tue Apr 5 11:50:07 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA19260; Tue, 5 Apr 94 11:50:07 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404051551.AA07897@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Draft announcement - Please comment In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 4 Apr 94 13:57:34 EDT . Date: Tue, 05 Apr 94 17:51:30 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, Please note that the address of the astroweb page at CDS is: htpp://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/astroweb.html and not the one you have in the draft announcement. We are still working on this page, which presently contains the following links: o to the other pages of the astroweb consortium o to the WAIS index for astroweb at STScI (we may have a mirror copy here one day) o to the "CDS flavor" of astroweb which are the original "organizations" and "individuals" files of Andre, with their own search mechanism (note that as of today they are not yet updated at the level of Don's master file; we need some more time to complete that). The CDS home page will contain an explicit link to the above described CDS astroweb page. You may remember that the original suggestion of Andre on April 1st was to harpoon the CDS homepage. After discussion, we think that a link to the astroweb address as given above is more appropriate (more flexibility on our side, more homogeneous to the other astroweb pages). All the best, Daniel From astroweb-request Tue Apr 5 20:17:45 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20507; Tue, 5 Apr 94 20:17:45 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:17:33 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404060017.AA23457@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb announcement Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, Don Wells writes: > as in 'AstroWeb Consortium'. In private mail I mentioned to Anton that > I was unsure whether we should call ourselves a 'Consortium', a 'Group' > or a 'Collaboration'. Anton said he couldn't see any difference between > the words for this purpose. As a native English speaker, I thank him for > this observation... However, I readily admit that my English is not the best, particularly since I never have a dictionary handy... If these words do have different implications for the way in which we are organised then it would be worth discussing further (eg: is a 'leader' implied in any of these terms, or are they all consistent with action by general consensus?) - otherwise, I'm happy to stick with 'Consortium' as originally suggested. Also, if I have time I may draft up a logo for AstroWeb (or a couple - logos rarely seem to get general approval). cheers, - anton. From dwells Tue Apr 5 22:12:21 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20583; Tue, 5 Apr 94 22:12:21 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 22:12:20 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404060212.AA20577@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb announcement In-Reply-To: <9404060017.AA23457@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9404060017.AA23457@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > .. I readily admit that my English is not the best.. You are being too modest. Your command of syntax, vocabulary and idioms is quite impressive. > .. If these words do have different implications > for the way in which we are organised.. No. The three words are essentially equivalent for our purposes. The differences are merely interesting nuances, subtle hints which are probably only interesting to Bob and me. Bob apparently approves of the choice, and so do I. The primary definition of the word 'consortium' is "an international banking or financial combination". An unabridged dictionary will give a secondary definition like "any association, partnership or union". The etymology of the English word 'consortium' is that it is the Latin word for 'partnership'. -*- I expect to release the new version of my pages into production within the next 1-2 hours. Today I added extensive text describing the Consortium and the database. I recommend that all of you review this text as soon as you can, and suggest corrections or additions. There is an obvious omission: there is no page describing the classification codes. The data format page needs to be updated by someone. -Don From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 01:33:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21102; Wed, 6 Apr 94 01:33:14 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404060531.AA16908@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr, creze@simbad.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Consortium - Group or Collaboration ? Date: Wed, 06 Apr 94 07:31:05 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Friends, Just a few words to express full support for `Consortium' as this word is not only used in English. At least over here, `consortium' has a connotation that puts the venture more on an institutional level than on an individual one (which would be more the case for `group' or `collaboration'). You can always check with the Webster dictionary. We would rather talk of a consortium of institutions, companies or countries. An institutional level is quite appropriate for AstroWeb as we use openly resources and official home pages (at CDS, the home page goes through a formal approval routine, which is fair enough if one wants to avoid undesirable bias by individuals and as this home page will become increasingly a window on the local activities and achievements). If AstroWeb is successful, we might even consider a formal agreement between our institutions to ensure its perennity! All the best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Telex 890506 starobs f ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mosaic homepage URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 02:52:22 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21134; Wed, 6 Apr 94 02:52:22 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404060650.AA17895@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: ADASS'94 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 94 08:50:09 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Is anyone going to present AstroWeb at ADASS'94? I believe it could fit in the section `Network Information Systems'. Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 04:14:56 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21177; Wed, 6 Apr 94 04:14:56 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404060814.AA10072@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 10:14:39 +0100 To: Andre HECK From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Re: ADASS'94 Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU >Is anyone going to present AstroWeb at ADASS'94? I believe it could fit >in the section `Network Information Systems'. > >Andre. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andre, sounds like a godd idea. I was looking for a topic, but right now I haven't contributed too much to the AstroWeb to run as a first author. I am currently looking into a variety of maintenance tools that I consider essential in the long run, e.g. an autocrossreferencer and an indexer. May be after getting started there I could make an estimate of what could be ready in September. Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 09:26:46 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21531; Wed, 6 Apr 94 09:26:46 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 09:26:42 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404061326.AA03725@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: 'consortium' Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I actually like the word 'consortium' because of its grand connotations of INSTITUTIONS collaborating, whereas the reality is simply a few individuals collaborating in an ad hoc fashion. The reality maps more closely to words like CLUB, TEAM, ... 'Consortium' has a :-) built in, at least for me. Bob From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 09:28:23 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21558; Wed, 6 Apr 94 09:28:23 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 09:28:19 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404061328.AA03731@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: ADASS 94 Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ADASS 94 will be a cheap date for me. I will probably put something together. Bob From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 09:44:19 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21597; Wed, 6 Apr 94 09:44:19 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 23:44:09 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404061344.AA09732@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb announcement Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don Wells writes: > ... an obvious omission: there is no page describing the classification > codes... Yes, I did make a fair bit of noise about it - but after looking at the primary classifications in Don's new database entry form, it seems to me that these are detailed enough to allow for a rather accurate description of a resource. The descriptions of each keyword are sufficiently detailed to allow separation into different categories, but any further detail would really have to depend on which records are in that classification. It's a bit like describing the sample after selecting it. Just some thoughts. - anton. PS: the new MSSSO list based on yp_topzone.html is alive and well under its currently-known URL: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html It is still evolving towards a more useful format. From dwells Wed Apr 6 10:20:02 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21667; Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:20:02 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:19:09 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404061419.AA21661@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Andre HECK Cc: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU, creze@simbad.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Re: Consortium - Group or Collaboration ? In-Reply-To: <9404060531.AA16908@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> References: <9404060531.AA16908@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Andre HECK writes: > Just a few words to express full support for `Consortium' as this word > is not only used in English. At least over here, `consortium' has a > connotation that puts the venture more on an institutional level than > on an individual one (which would be more the case for `group' or > `collaboration'). I assume that by 'over here' you mean in French. The connotation in English is exactly as you describe it for French, and that is the nuance, the hint, that I mentioned in my previous post. Indeed, in my new page "The AstroWeb Consortium" (http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb.html), I very carefully crafted the wording of the first sentence to avoid giving the impression that I was committing NRAO in any way! I settled on the wording "The AstroWeb database of resource records is maintained by the members of the AstroWeb Consortium, at five institutions, CDS , MSSSO , NRAO , ST-ECF and STScI , each of which supports a version of the AstroWeb service." Like you, I hope that I might commit NRAO in some formal way over a period of time, but I will be pleased if the management merely has no objections to my work on this project. In his 'consortium' posting half an hour ago, Bob agrees on the institutional connotation, and regards it as a small joke. I got a good laugh out of that, but this is a serious matter. If there is a possibility that others will regard the name as pompous, or ludicrous, maybe we should change it. "Group" would be a good possibility, except that its connotation tends to be people in the *same* institution. "Team" and "club" suggest some kind of formal organization that is larger than and longer-lasting than the individual members. On the whole, "collaboration" is probably the most accurate word choice, and I would support a change to it if others agree. > .. An institutional level is quite appropriate for AstroWeb as > we use openly resources and official home pages (at CDS, the home page > goes through a formal approval routine.. Like CDS, NRAO controls the "NRAO Home Page" in a somewhat formal manner. The NRAO page contains pointers to my FITS archive and to my "Astronomy resources on the Internet" page. I intend to request that the maintainer change the string to "AstroWeb: Astronomy resources on the Internet" as soon as we make the formal announcement. I have always been aware that my pages are a part of NRAO's public image, and so I have acted in a dignified manner to avoid embarrassing my institution. > If AstroWeb is successful, we might even consider a formal agreement > between our institutions to ensure its perennity! Yes, but my bet is that the rapid pace of technological change will make our efforts obsolete in some way long before we could negotiate such formalities! -Don PS- The word 'perennity' in the last sentence quoted above is a wonderful thing. The meaning is obvious to any ex-Latin-student, but the word does not appear even in the Webster's Third Unabridged. I assumed that the word is valid in French, and I hoped that maybe I could credit you with inventing its use in English. I checked the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), which is the definitive reference for English etymology and historical usages. Sigh... the answer is that you didn't invent it. The OED says that 'perennity' is "obsolete". For etymology it refers to the word in OF [Old French] as given in "Dict. Acad. 1878". It quotes examples of usage in published English texts in 1597, 1641 and 1713. But, as I said -- wonderful! From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 10:41:21 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21717; Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:41:21 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:41:16 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404061441.AA03955@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Consortium Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I have no problem with "collaboration" and ,when pushed, can even be serious. The newsgroup messages have been sent out and are visible on comp.infosystems.www sci.astro.hubble From dwells Wed Apr 6 11:14:19 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21830; Wed, 6 Apr 94 11:14:19 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 11:14:14 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404061514.AA21821@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Consortium In-Reply-To: <9404061441.AA03955@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> References: <9404061441.AA03955@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob Jackson writes: > The newsgroup messages have been sent out > and are visible on > comp.infosystems.www > sci.astro.hubble Then we are probably committed to 'consortium'. I can live with that. The messages have not yet arrived at NRAO-CV. -Don From dwells Wed Apr 6 12:02:15 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21924; Wed, 6 Apr 94 12:02:15 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 12:02:14 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404061602.AA21918@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb announcement In-Reply-To: <9404061344.AA09732@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9404061344.AA09732@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > Don Wells writes: > > ... classification > > codes... > .. in Don's new database entry form.. > .. sufficiently detailed to allow separation into > different categories.. > .. further detail.. depend on > which records are in that classification.. I think that I agree. Also, it is clear to me that the five of us classify specific resources in slightly different ways. I have (mostly) accepted this variability of classification codes, allowing it to exist in the master database, because I think it reflects the natural variability that exists in the user community as well as the inherent ambiguity of the classifications of many of the resources. > PS: the new MSSSO list based on yp_topzone.html is alive and well under its > currently-known URL: > http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html It looks good. Bob's STScI page has changed, too. It now includes a link (http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astroweb.html) to the text which I generated yesterday. The CDS page has changed, and it also contains a link to the astroweb.html page. The ST-ECF page is also ready for the public announcement. The different styles of our five pages are fascinating, and a good object lesson for the Net. They are also a hint to our colleagues that there is room for yet more diversity. -*- It will be no surprise if some of our colleagues approach us with requests that they join the Consortium. We should think about how we will respond. I presume that our policy is that the master database is available to anybody, and that we hope that they will credit us. I presume also that new members will be accepted. I suggest that they should give some indication(s) of seriousness before being added to the mailing list. I myself will probably be reluctant to translate any more large resource lists into the interchange format, especially now that the forms input capability exists. My tendency would be to ask newcomers to use the forms to enter their data, and then I would merge it with the master database. I both hope -- and fear -- that there will be a huge number of new records entered into the form during the next week or two! -Don PS-- I will be out of my office, incommunicado, all day tomorrow, Thursday the 7th. From www_server Wed Apr 6 13:46:11 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA22169; Wed, 6 Apr 94 13:46:11 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 13:46:07 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404061746.AA22159@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, lentz@rossi.astro.nwu.edu Subject: NWU Home Page Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Robert Lentz @ rossi.astro.nwu.edu [129.105.49.19] Greetings, I would prefer if the label would be "Northwestern University, Astronomy Division", and the correct URL is And following is the announcement which should go out shortly which you should be able to use as a description. Thank you,Contents include information on undergraduate studies and graduate studies, who we are, what we do, and our gallery of gamma-ray bursts as observed by the Oriented Scintillation Spectrometer Experiment (OSSE) on board the Compton Gamma-Ray Observatory (CGRO). -Robert Lentz From astroweb-request Wed Apr 6 13:49:15 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA22192; Wed, 6 Apr 94 13:49:15 EDT Return-Path: From: lentz@rossi.astro.nwu.edu (Robert Lentz) Message-Id: <9404061748.AA00714@rossi.astro.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: NWU Home Page To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 12:48:17 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9404061746.AA22159@fits.cv.nrao.edu> from "httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu" at Apr 6, 94 01:46:07 pm Reply-To: lentz@rossi.astro.nwu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1231 Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU > Message entered by: Robert Lentz @ rossi.astro.nwu.edu [129.105.49.19] > > Greetings, > I would prefer if the label would be > "Northwestern University, Astronomy Division", and the > correct URL is > And following is the announcement which should go out > shortly which you should be able to use as a description. > > Thank you,Contents include information on > undergraduate > studies and > graduate studies, > who we are, > what we do, and our > gallery of > gamma-ray bursts as observed by the Oriented Scintillation Spectrometer > Experiment (OSSE) > on board the Compton Gamma-Ray Observatory > (CGRO). Of course the "Thank you" was part of my closing and not the description. I still have trouble with Mosaic's Motif pasting behavior. Thanks, -Robert From astroweb-request Thu Apr 7 06:05:17 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA24258; Thu, 7 Apr 94 06:05:17 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404071004.AA19381@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 12:05:09 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: michael@cygnus.uni-muenster.de (Michael Naumann) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hi, I just inspected the pages which Michael Naumann at the asronomical institute of the University Muenster has put together. He seems to be a keen WWW surfer and has pointers to the astroweb. What do you think of inviting him to join the astroweb consortium? -hma From astroweb-request Thu Apr 7 11:20:42 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA24650; Thu, 7 Apr 94 11:20:42 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404071518.AA13542@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Varia Date: Thu, 07 Apr 94 17:18:25 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Friends, It seems that Don and I have a similar taste for digging out of dictionaries and the literature detailed meanings of terms and expressions. I am glad you liked my `perennity', Don. Remember that I am not French, but Belgian, and considering that the best lexicologists and grammarians of the French language are Belgians, one could wonder whether there is something in our culture favoring this kind of exercise (or just maybe because we are multilingual by birth). Don, when I said `over here' about the word `consortium', I meant rather on this side of the Atlantic since this word is used here in English about ESA and ESO, as well as in the Hipparcos context, for instance. To be brief, I would say that `consortium' is used here for a group of entities or organizations (countries in the case of ESA and ESO, institutions for Hipparcos) joining efforts in specific projects. I appreciate Bob smiling about this kind of discussions, especially because of the context of his own institution and because he has been collecting these URLs for a long time on an individual level. But all collaborations and projects begin at this level. And as he let understand himself, it does not make any harm to use `consortium' for AstroWeb. Actually it is always good policy or politics to make things look a bit more serious than they are compare to a rigorous mapping, in view of `officializing' them or getting some funding one day for instance. In the same vein of remarks, I noticed in a list from one of our sites that `UK' was listed separately from `Europe'. Yesterday, in a report at the Sky News channel, John Major was forcefully claiming that `... now [that] UK is definitely part of Europe ...' So finally he looked at a map! Well, do not take me too seriously, but I am sure you got my point: if Europe starts well on Eastern part of the continent now, it does not stop at the Channel either. The political entity that is closest to the geographical Europe is called the `Council of Europe'. It includes [UK of course and] already quite a few countries from the ex-communist block. All the best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Thu Apr 7 16:00:04 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25144; Thu, 7 Apr 94 16:00:04 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 15:59:53 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404071959.AA06457@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Validation results Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The Validation results are available at: http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/validate-master.html No 10 times losers, since I don't have 10 runs yet. Bob From www_server Thu Apr 7 17:12:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25346; Thu, 7 Apr 94 17:12:30 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 94 17:12:26 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404072112.AA25337@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, malbet@huey.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: error in submitting resources Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Fabien Malbet @ heracles.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.68.28] Hi, I made an error in submiiting a "Stelar Database request Form" resource. I send it again, so the first has to be deleted. Thanks Fabien. From astroweb-request Fri Apr 8 03:38:01 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25719; Fri, 8 Apr 94 03:38:01 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404080737.AA25259@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 09:38:03 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: ONLINE: Vannevar Bush's famous article "As We May Think" Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ... found on the net ... -hma --------- As I could not locate an online version of Vannevar Bush's famous article "As We May Think", I decided to make one available myself. It first appeared in the July 1945 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. I called their legal department and they gave me their (verbal) authorization. http://www.csi.uottawa.ca/~dduchier/misc/vbush/as-we-may-think.html --Denys Dr. Denys Duchier Dept of Computer Science email: dduchier@csi.uottawa.ca University of Ottawa tel: (613) 564-5427 Ottawa, Ont. fax: (613) 564-9486 K1N 6N5 Canada From astroweb-request Fri Apr 8 03:46:36 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25743; Fri, 8 Apr 94 03:46:36 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404080746.AA25324@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 09:46:44 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: potential new URL Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU May be it contains a URL to an astronomy department. -hma ----------- The WWW server at University of Tampere, Finland, is now on-line! Take a look at URL: http://www.uta.fi/ The server offers information about the university, its departments, staff, students and more. At the moment a big part of information comes from the gopher server at gopher.uta.fi. More information is being added all the time to the WWW and the gopher. Comments, suggestions and general feedback is welcome at the address webmaster@uta.fi. Welcome! -- --Sami (http://www.uta.fi/~samik/samik.html) From dwells Fri Apr 8 11:46:18 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA27398; Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:46:18 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:46:14 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404081546.AA27389@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: michael@cygnus.uni-muenster.de (Michael Naumann) In-Reply-To: <9404071004.AA19381@ns3.hq.eso.org> References: <9404071004.AA19381@ns3.hq.eso.org> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hans-Martin Adorf writes: > I just inspected the pages which Michael Naumann at the asronomical > institute of the University Muenster has put together. Astronomie in Internet http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/astro-im-net/astronomy.html I have used the form to add a record pointing to his list. Michael has re-organized copies of our lists into his own style, and has translated much of the information from English to German. He has also added commentaries in various places, giving his own opinions. Those opinions are real value-added. I detected very few, if any, new URLs in my scan of his pages. He has made local copies of our pages, but they appear to be about one month old, maybe even six weeks, probably before the integration of the MSSSO and CDS databases. It is clear that he has been watching us closely and is very interested in our activities. His translation of our information raises a variety of fascinating questions about the potential for multi-lingual databases. > He seems to be a > keen WWW surfer and has pointers to the astroweb. What do you think of > inviting him to join the astroweb consortium? There is no question that Michael cares about the Web, and indexes to the Web, and that he is a "keen surfer". If we invited him he would not immediately bring any new resource records, but he would bring a new set of opinions from another person who cares, and he would bring experience with multi-lingual presentation of the database. -Don From astroweb-request Fri Apr 8 11:55:44 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA27438; Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:55:44 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404081557.AA27692@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: michael@cygnus.uni-muenster.de (Michael Naumann) In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 8 Apr 94 11:46:14 EDT . Date: Fri, 08 Apr 94 17:57:22 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ... On the other hand , I was quite surprised to see in these Muenster pages, the IUE archive classified as "Radio", or DIRA2 classified as "Roentgen". My opinion is that we do not necessarily need "keen surfers", but a little more of astronomical background in evaluating and classifying the resources! Daniel From astroweb-request Fri Apr 8 16:07:26 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA27896; Fri, 8 Apr 94 16:07:26 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 94 16:07:19 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404082007.AA11380@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: AstroWeb Tcl Tools Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The code used for Searching, Validating, ... http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/astroweb-tcl.html From astroweb-request Mon Apr 11 11:32:38 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA02653; Mon, 11 Apr 94 11:32:38 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 11:32:31 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404111532.AA01769@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: A relevant tool? Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU There is a tool out there which might be of use in maintaining yp_master.html, RCVS This would allow more than one person to edit the file and would provide version control as well. Caveats: Runs only on UNIX boxes Requires RCS and CVS Requires entries in .rhosts files I have not tried it out, but SLAC folks use it. What you think? Bob Here is the MAN page: NAME RCVS - Remote extension of CVS (Concurrent Versions System) SYNOPSIS RCVS provides remote access to the source code managed by CVS. It replicates RCS ("\(**,v") files to remote site based upon user's request by using rdist. The clone directory on the remote site should be kept permanent to save the time it takes to replicate the modules. Only those modules requested by user will be replicated to the remote site. After the forward synchronization, RCVS executes the given CVS command on the remote site as usual. All operations are conducted upon the clone directory. If the command is 'commit', etc, a backward synchronization is conducted to replicate modules back to master site. There are number of options: -d cvsroot overrides $CVSROOT as the root of the CVS tree, it can be in either local or remote format. -t turn on cvs & rcvs trace -v display CVS version & rcvs version. -c change repository of a local folder by rewritting CVS/Repository according to revised CVSROOT. Use it with update or checkout commands. This can be used to force a local checkout with CVSROOT or convert a local folder when CVSROOT is changed. Note: Remote folder cannot be converted to local folder. -C Change repository of a remote folder by rewritting CVS/Remote according to revised CVSROOTr. Use this option when any components in CVSROOTr is changed. Use it with update or checkout command. This can be used to convert a remote folder when CVSROOTr is changed. (or for adding CVS/Remote to folders created by RCVS-0.3.9 or earlier version). Note: Local folder cannot be converted to remote folder. -R remote checkout according to $CVSROOTr, which must be in remote format. -P phases combination of steps to process remote folder [1-3] (careful!) 1: sync from root to clone. 2: run cvs in shell dealing with clone 3: sync back from clone to root. e.g. "cvs -P 2 his mod" -U Remove RCVS lock to recover from abnormal situation. Options used for internal usage: -L set lock for remote folder. -S Do sync. This is the first step in processing a remote folder. -e ver the RCVS version number of the client, borrow -e for internal use -Y run local CVS command in shell. This is the second step in processing a remote folder. choice 1. use single CVSROOT setenv CVSROOT user@host:repo:clone Where "user" is the login account on the server host. "host" is the network address of the server host. "repo" is the main repository on the server host. "clone" is the clone directory on current host. (Make sure there is no important files already in this directory). Optionally one can omit user@ to use the output of 'whoami'. This is probably the simplest and straight forward way to run CVS/rCVS, simply toggle CVSROOT between local and remote format. choice 2. use CVSROOT and CVSROOTr setenv CVSROOT cvsroot_directory setenv CVSROOTr user@host:root:clone Use option "-R" to do remote checkout according to CVSROOTr. Ignoring "-R" to do local checkout according to CVSROOT. Optionally setenv CVSMODE to "remote" or "local" to switch between CVSROOT and CVSROOTr. CVSROOT and/or CVSEROOTr are required by command such as checkout and import where no existing folders exists. rCVS evaluates CVSMODE, CVSROOT, and CVSROOTr to determine whether the repository resides locally or remotely. For any command working on existing folder, the repository of existing folder is used. Note: The memorized repository of Local folders must match current CVSROOT. Thus if you deal with both local and remote folder, you may want to use dual CVSROOT/CVSROOTr scheme. If there are main repository on local machine too, make a separate directory instead of using the local clone directory. Run CVS in local mode as stated above to access the local repository, run CVS in Remote mode as stated above to access the remote repository. Set up $HOME/.rhosts on both side of the network so that two accounts can rlogin to each other. A common way to set up sharable modules is 'chgrp -R' the directories in the main repository to the proper group name then 'chmod' them to 'drwxrwsr_x' (2775) with 'chmod -R g+ws'. (The 'g+s' turns on GID bit so that files created in a directory will carry the same group ID). The directories in the clone will be 'chmod'ed to the same symbolic (not numeric) group name by rCVS if this group name exists on local host. NOTE: when adding new directory in sharable module, remember to do 'chmod -R g+ws' on this new directory. CVS idenifies whether the working directory (a folder) is a remote folder or local folder by examine the existence of a file called CVS/Remote. The "Remote" file memorizes the user, server, repository, and clone of a remote folder. The format of CVS/Remote is: remote_repo rel_path remote_repo $_module Where remote_repo is in "user@host:cvsroot:clone" remote format and rel_path is the path of a repository relative to CVSROOT. If a module is defined explictly in CVSROOT/modules, then a prefix "$_" is added. Adding and Removing New Directories and Files: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Use 'cvs add dirname' to add a directory into main repository. Then cd to dirname and use 'cvs add f1..' to add the name of all new files into CVS/Entries, finally use "cvs commit' to actually put them back into main repository. To save time, specify the file names for commit, e.g. "cvs commit f1 f2 ..". To remove a file, use 'rm' to remove file from disk, then do "cvs rm f1 f2.." to remove file from CVS/Entries, finally use 'cvs commit' to actually remove them from main repository. To save time, specify the file names for commit, e.g. "cvs commit f1 f2 ..". Scripts registerd in loginfo and modules ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The script registered in $CVSROOT/modules and $CVSROOT/loginfo will be executed in phase 2 against the clone on the remote host. This may cause problem if user's script is not installed on the remote host. Simple test ~~~~~~~~~~~ Before running rcvs for the first time, try 'rsh server-machine -l username cvs -v' from remote machine to see if cvs is in the search path of server. Some user exit from their .cshrc if it is non- interactive C-Shell and never set up PATH properly. Next, try 'rsh server-machine -l username date' and 'rsh my-machine -l username date' to see if the profile writes any additional message to the stdout other than the date, if so turn them off from the profile (e.g. .cshrc). For HPUX replace the 'rsh' with 'remsh', for SGI, replaced the 'rsh' with /usr/bsd/rsh in this simple test. Finally, test rdist with 'rdist -c $HOME/.cshrc username@same-machine:/tmp/junk' to make sure rdist works from itself. Then 'rdist -c $HOME/.cshrc username@server-machine:/tmp/junk' from your machine and 'rdist -c $HOME/.cshrc username@your-machine:/tmp/junk' from server machine to make sure rdist works between 2 machines. If all test passed, you are ready to use rcvs! Ping Time ~~~~~~~~~ How fast is your network access between client and server? Try 'ping' to get a rough idea: the network access is fast if average 'ping' time is less than 100ms. The network access is medium if average 'ping' time is between 100 and 200ms. The network access is slow if the average 'ping' time is greater than 200ms. Try to use 'file-mode' by specifying individual files instead of whole module can speed up the process somewhat. EXAMPLES option 1: setenv CVSROOT /my/cvsroot # set CVSROOT to local format cvs co gismo # local checkout from CVSROOT setenv CVSROOT terryh@owl.edu:/svr/cvsroot:/my/clone cvs co mod # remote checkout from CVSROOT option 2: setenv CVSROOT /client/cvsroot setenv CVSROOTr terryh@owl.com:/svr/cvsroot:/my/clone cvs co gismo # local checkout from CVSROOT cvs -R co mod # remote checkout from CVSROOTr cvs add newdir # add new directory cd newdir; cvs add f1 f2... # add new files from new directory rm f1 f2.. # remove files from disk cvs remove f1 f2.. # remove files from CVS/Entries cvs commit f1 f2.. # remove files from main repository cvs commit mod # commit a folder, local or remote kind cvs -c update gismo # change local repository, use CVSROOT cvs -C update mod ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES: CVSROOT default repository for local folder. CVSROOTr optional. Default repository for remote folder. CVSMODE optional. Set mode of CVS to "remote" or "local". CVSDOMAIN optional. Network domain of the local host, not including host name. This is the last resort for those who cannot get correct domain. CVSUSER optional. Set its value to the output of 'whoami'. This is the last resort for those who cannot get correct username. FILES /tmp/RCVS/$username/distfile: the input file to rdist. /tmp/RCVS/$username/$modules: a barebone directory tree on server. $root/CVSROOT/#rcvs.lock: rCVS lock, root can be $CVSROOT or clone. $clone/CVSROOT/#rcvsr.lock: rCVS read lock in clone directory $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/#rcvsX.lock: CVS lock to protect main repository $CVSROOT/CVSROOT/#rcvsXr.lock: CVS read lock to protect main repository $CVSROOT/dir: main repository clone/dir: clone repository .: working directory, folder ./CVS/Remote: data file to memorize the repository SEE ALSO cvs(1), cvs(5) A paper written by Paul Kunz is available from anonymous ftp server preprint.slac.stanford.edu, the file is pub/slacpubs/slac-pub-5923.ps.Z BUGS Rdist will give you error message: "version numbers don't match" if the login shell (.cshrc or .profile) generates message to the screen. You will get the following message: "ci error: Date ... is not later than or equal to ..." or other time-stamp problem if version 4 of RCS instead of version 5 is running on either local or remote host. Check RCS version with "strings /usr/local/bin/ci | grep ci.c", if the date you get is much earlier than 1991/11/20, you have RCS-4. From dwells Mon Apr 11 16:28:51 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA03290; Mon, 11 Apr 94 16:28:51 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 16:28:47 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404112028.AA03280@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: A relevant tool? In-Reply-To: <9404111532.AA01769@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> References: <9404111532.AA01769@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob Jackson writes: > There is a tool out there which might > be of use in maintaining yp_master.html, > RCVS > This would allow more than one person to edit > the file and would provide version control as well. > Caveats: > Runs only on UNIX boxes > Requires RCS and CVS > Requires entries in .rhosts files I have been really worried by the prospect of having to act as the central coordinator for the master database. I am willing to try almost anything that might avoid this role. I am a strong proponent of concurrent version control (and configuration management) technology for large software projects. The VLBA Correlator project used a first generation commercial concurrent version control system, Sun's NSE [Network Software Environment]. It worked, but it had bugs. Sun now sells a newer product which is reputed to be robust. AstroWeb is a small project, with only a few files, and could even be contained in one directory if necessary, so our technical problem is much easier than for things like MIDAS, IRAF, AIPS, .., but the 'remote' capability of RCVS would be very important for AstroWeb. NSE as shipped circa 1989 (when I recommended it to the VLBA) could not do remote operation very well (specifically, it operated in only a single YP/NIS domain). Its successor fixes that problem. I was aware of CVS, the public-domain solution, four years ago. At that time I did not entirely trust it because it was rather new, and the version available then was less powerful than NSE was then. Now, after more years of field use, my decision on products might very well be quite different. RCVS would provide us with an automatic mirroring capability. > What you think? I think that we should give serious consideration to RCVS for AstroWeb. My machine, fits.cv.nrao.edu, is a Sun IPC under SunOS (currently 4.1.3). What architectures do the other team members have? > A paper written by Paul Kunz is available from anonymous ftp server > preprint.slac.stanford.edu, the file is pub/slacpubs/slac-pub-5923.ps.Z I have fetched this file and printed it. This 4 page paper is a good overview of the concurrent change control problem, and of the features of RCVS. I have put a copy in file://fits.cv.nrao.edu/fits/www/astroweb/rcvs.ps Incidentally, Paul Kunz, the second author of the paper (but probably the person who had the idea), is an old friend of mine. He was on an NRAO supercomputing advisory panel in 1984, and was also the first person who sent me Email via BITnet in 1985. He is a physicist who is very sharp in computing matters. -Don From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 05:46:31 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04958; Tue, 12 Apr 94 05:46:31 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404120944.AA17930@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Network ethics Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:44:11 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Friends, There are some concerns over here about this gentleman from Muenster who was the subject of earlier messages. I second of course the reservations expressed by Daniel about his astronomical competence. Daniel, followed by ADS, had also to take measures against an illicit pointing from him towards Simbad via a US account. This brings me to more general considerations and I would like to know how you feel about them. It is obvious that the introduction of Mosaic and its flexibility brings in new problems and that a new ethics will have to be adopted. It is all too easy to download via Mosaic files that have taken hours of navigation to the original compilers to put together. People with a minimum of deontology will put the appropriate credit or follow the advices given. [For instance, some time ago, Don pointed to me a copy of my institutional list sitting at NFRA in Holland. This was of course an outdated version. After getting in touch with those people, they concluded wisely that it was better to point directly to the original and permanently updated file. So there was ultimately nothing to complain about in this case.] In other words, it is obvious that, if we put information on the web, that's for the best use of it, but usage and copies should always be made in good intelligence, and with realizing that there might be some political implications imbedded. I would recommend we start putting together a few points that might become part of an ethical charter people could adhere to, at least in our community. I guess we accumulated enough experience to put this modestly forward. There are other recommendations that might be included. For instance, a page should always be signed with, whenever possible, direct e-mailing facility to this person. Icons, pictures and logos should also be kept to a reasonable number and sizes. The other day, when I was navigating to recover a few additional entries for my list of individuals, it was taking ages to recover a page from someone in Poland. I was blaming the network, but not at all. When the page finally came out, there was first a large-size picture of the guy's wife (but the resolution was too bad to really appreciate it), then followed by another large-size picture of the guy himself. The real value of the page was close to zero. It is also bad use of hypertext and bad example of electronic handling of documents to split a document in a sequence of `pages', with nothing more. An example of that was this paper from V. Bush put on the web. The only real use of harpooning occurred only in the last page of this document with anchors pointing towards other legal information in other directories. Well, I guess these things are unavoidable in what is called in marketing the initial phase of a product and where some development is sometines still left up to not quite professional people. Please feel free to comment and share your experience whenever you have time. Best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 06:38:44 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04994; Tue, 12 Apr 94 06:38:44 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 12:40:37 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404121040.AA20568@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Simbad on the Web Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Copy of a message sent to Michael Naumann. The pointer mentioned in the first two paragraphs was the following: SIMBAD Bibliographic Database (Strasbourg, France) Die Datenuebertragung ist sehr langsam, da ein kostenfreier Zugang ueber Harvard benutzt wird. ----------------- Michael Naumann, I would like to inform you that your pointing to the SIMBAD Cfa gateway as a "free of charge" access to SIMBAD (from the Muenster WWW pages) has had some unfortunate consequences: namely that the ADS project has now turned off this facility for all users. The point here is that the SIMBAD account you were pointing at, is part of an agreement between NASA and CDS aiming to implement an easy "native access" to SIMBAD through the ADS (ADS also offers a "GUI access" which is currently not affected). If the access is "free of charge" for the user it is because NASA agreed to support the ADS users. You should understand that NASA is not willing to support users from all parts of the world, coming through uncontrolled and unconsidered paths. I understand your enthusiasm towards these new information technologies, but you should understand that the general access to all these resources frequently result from formal and explicit agreements between institutions. Unconsidered behaviors, such as unauthorized use of computer accounts, and absence of credits given to the resource providers, certainly jeopardize the support of such agreements by our funding institutions. As a first step, I would like to ask you to be much more careful in the building of your WWW pages. Getting the preliminary approval of the head of your institute could be a wise precaution in this context. As a general rule, it would be also considered as a more friendly attitude by all your colleagues on the web, to inform them whenever you attempt to make local copies of their pages and services on your own server. Sincerely yours, Daniel Egret CDS, Strasbourg CC: Michel Creze (Director CDS) Guenther Eichhorn (ADS Project Manager) Waltraut Seitter (Director Astronomisches Institut Muenster) CC: AstroWeb consortium From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 06:50:16 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05022; Tue, 12 Apr 94 06:50:16 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 12:52:14 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404121052.AA20719@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: ethical rules Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU As a complement to the remarks made by Andre in his mail of this morning, I suggest the following: that we should push forward the idea that local copies of complete pages and services should only be made with the original author being kept informed. This might help to avoid proliferation of outdated (or uncorrectly presented) information. Obviously it would not be practical to suggest the same approach at the level of simple anchors... Best regards Daniel From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 08:59:33 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05254; Tue, 12 Apr 94 08:59:33 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 08:59:28 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404121259.AA02956@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Bob fumes and flames Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU In the email from Daniel Egret to Michael Naumann, the following statements were made with which I disagree most heartily. Bob The point here is that the SIMBAD account you were pointing at, is part of an agreement between NASA and CDS aiming to implement an easy "native access" to SIMBAD through the ADS (ADS also offers a "GUI access" which is currently not affected). If the access is "free of charge" for the user it is because NASA agreed to support the ADS users. You should understand that NASA is not willing to support users from all parts of the world, coming through uncontrolled and unconsidered paths. >>> If this were the case, then they should have configured the >>> server to only allow access from specific internet domains. Both >>> the CERN and NCSA servers have extensive capabilities in this >>> regard. They even could have restricted access to people with >>> SIMBAD accounts and passwords. I understand your enthusiasm towards these new information technologies, but you should understand that the general access to all these resources frequently result from formal and explicit agreements between institutions. Unconsidered behaviors, such as unauthorized use of computer accounts, and absence of credits given to the resource providers, certainly jeopardize the support of such agreements by our funding institutions. >>> "unauthorized use"??? If authorization is required, then there >>> should be at least some semblance of effort made to enforce it. >>> The general paradigm of the World Wide Web is ~~"If you can find >>> it, you can use it". >>> "absence of credits"??? We are not talking about papers in >>> journals here. A telephone directory will list a phone number >>> without any credit given to who pays for the services provided at >>> that phone number. As a first step, I would like to ask you to be much more careful in the building of your WWW pages. Getting the preliminary approval of the head of your institute could be a wise precaution in this context. As a general rule, it would be also considered as a more friendly attitude by all your colleagues on the web, to inform them whenever you attempt to make local copies of their pages and services on your own server. >>> Unfortunately, a great many of the resources in the AstroWeb >>> database have no email address for the OWNER. >>> If a resource does not want to be publicly listed, then they >>> have thousands of non-standard port numbers they can use. From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 10:00:36 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05318; Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:00:36 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 16:02:22 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404121402.AA27324@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Bob fumes and flames Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, Most of your arguments concern public WWW resources. However the litigious pointer is not to a WWW resource, but to a telnet account used internally within the ADS project, and which was never meant to be publicized. Imagine you discover an account allowing to use resources on somebody else's computer. Would you publicize this account without informing this 'somebody else' ? The fact that this "captive account" was easy to discover for any ADS user is not, to my opinion, a good excuse. In addition, I don't think personally that "If you can find it, you can use it" is always a responsible approach for AstroWeb... Cheers, Daniel From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 10:24:55 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05371; Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:24:55 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404121422.AA23524@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: WWW philosophy Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 16:22:37 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, I agree with you that ADS may not have taken all security measures they should have, but I would be very careful with the kind of philosophy "If you can find it, you can use it", because, if you push it a bit too far, it becomes "If you can find the keys of his car, get away with it". This just reinforces my feeling of the need for an ethical charter. I am not sure you would have been happy with someone copying your list of astronomical resources on the Internet and implementing it somewhere else without crediting you of the work (that was the meaning of `credit'). Since a quarter of a century, we know here at CDS what is providing service for the astronomical community, but we want recognition for it (be it only for continuing receiving funding for our activities)! Cheers, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 11:43:47 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05534; Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:43:47 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404121543.AA22939@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 17:43:56 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: GLOBAL ON-LINE DIRECTORY SERVICES Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU GLOBAL ON-LINE DIRECTORY SERVICES URL: http://www.cityscape.co.uk/ CityScape Internet Services are happy to announce the launch of their new WWW server, Global Online. Global Online offers three new services: 1) The Global Online Directory The Online directory is an attempt to produce the most complete and up to date yellow pages for the Web and beyond. We hope to achieve this by offering WWW pages to anyone on the net, completely interactively. To create your page, use the simple forms interface and your page and database entry will be created instantly. Use the simple search engine to find the resources or organisation you require. For this to work, we need as many submissions as possible - please tell us about your company, organisation or yourself. If you have a presence on the Internet or services to offer to the Internet, we want to know about you. Please support this service. 2) The Global Online News Service The most up to date news on the Web and the Internet. Again, just fill in a simple form and your news will automatically be entered. Use this service for informing the Web of new services, pages, or whatever you think maybe of interest. 3) The Global Online Magazine This will be the front end to the CityScape IP-GOLD service, a UK internet service that uses the Web as its browser. Currently a guide to the Internet, its services and the Global Online Directory, we soon hope to include real online magazines and publications. If you are interest in working with CityScape on this, please mail us at gold@cityscape.co.uk Thank you. CityScape Internet Services Ltd 59 Wycliffe Rd Cambridge England CB! 3JE Tel: (0223) 566950 Mail: sales@cityscape.co.uk for more information on our products -- __ ___ EMail: tony@cityscape.co.uk / |_ Tel: (UK) 0223 566950 \__ ityscape |__Mail Tony Jewell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hans-Martin Adorf Tel: +49-89-32006-261 ST-ECF/ESO Fax: +49-89-32006-480 Karl-Schwarzschild-Str. 2 D-85748 Garching b. Muenchen E-mail: adorf@eso.org F.R. Germany WWW: http://ecf.hq.eso.org/staff/hmadorf.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From astroweb-request Tue Apr 12 14:23:52 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05754; Tue, 12 Apr 94 14:23:52 EDT Return-Path: From: fmurtagh@eso.org Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 20:19:01 +0200 Message-Id: <9404121819.AA06468@st2.hq.eso.org> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: CERN conf. at end of May Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Following just received... --Fionn From: Oscar Nierstrasz Subject: Your WWW 94 contribution Dear Colleague, I regret to inform you that your submitted paper contribution to the First International World Wide Web Conference, entitled: "AstroWeb: Astronomical Resources on the Internet" by B. Jackson, D. Wells, A. Koekemoer, A. Heck, H.-M. Adorf, F. Murtagh has not been accepted for presentation during the conference. The response to the call for contributions was overwhelming (over 100 submissions) and the selection process was quite difficult as a result. Although we have tried to accommodate as many presentations as possible (around 50), we have had to make a selection of papers that we felt would be best presented in one of the main tracks. Of the papers not selected for presentation (i.e., including yours), a large number seemed appropriate for presentation in a workshop focussing on more specialized topics. If you think this may be an appropriate forum for you to present your work (or just a good way to meet others working on related subjects), we *strongly* encourage you to join (or propose) a workshop. Details on the current status of the workshops can be found at: http://cui_www.unige.ch/WWW94/Workshops/workshop.CFP.html I would like to thank you sincerely for having submitted a paper to WWW 94, and hope that you will be attending the conference in some capacity. Oscar Nierstrasz WWW 94 Programme Chair From dwells Tue Apr 12 14:54:29 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05799; Tue, 12 Apr 94 14:54:29 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 14:54:27 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404121854.AA05793@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: My WWW philosophy & ethics Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Friends, I (mostly) agree with Bob that making resources visible on the Net is very nearly the same thing as putting them in the public domain. However, I also agree with Andre that ethical guidelines are needed. In particular, acknowledging sources of information is a traditional scholarly courtesy, and should certainly be a key item in our guidelines. I also agree that making copies of pages without notifying the original owner is generally a bad practice. (Somebody out there copied my pages many months ago, because my HTTP server gets a steady stream of requests for obsolete URLs; I have installed symbolic links to stop some of the error messages.) Regarding the the SIMBAD-via-ADS situation: did Michael Naumann get that URL from one of our pages? If so, we should probably delete it. Many months ago, when I was accumulating URLs in my pages, I looked at Bob's and Hans-Martin's pages. I got ideas from them. Should I have added a credit line for the ideas? I don't know. I don't think that I literally copied any text from either of them, but I *may* have clicked on some of their URLs, and then cut information out of the Mosaic windows of the resources themselves to construct my pages. I.e., I may have made use of some of their information indirectly; I cannot remember whether I did or not. If I did follow their links in some cases, should I have given them credit for that? Currently, my ethical position on that question is "no", but I am still nervous about this particular issue. A current example is the resource pages of a person at Cambridge, I think his name is Karl Glazebrook ("kgb"). I looked at his pages, and found only resources which we already have, with one notable exception. He has a departmental record for UCL, and we don't. I was tempted to follow that link and construct a record, but I didn't, _precisely because it made me uneasy from an ethical point of view_. So, I ask you (plural): should we (AstroWeb) add this record? Another specific case to consider is the record for Jodrell Bank, which includes a link with the string "EVN-TWG Meeting". This particular string is my test case for deciding whether someone has copied the HTML source of my (now our) resource pages. (This use is somewhat like Andre 'salting' his databases with deliberate errors to detect copyright violations.) This set of HTML pages can only be found by a search of the anonymous-FTP directory tree at Jodrell, so it is improbable that anyone else would create this exact link and text string independently. I am unsure whether the owner intended for these pages to become widely known. Because I am not on the EVN mailing list I am unsure whether even the EVN people know about the pages. I still wonder, was I wrong to create this link? Recently I discovered that yet another radio observatory has HTML pages in their anonFTP server, and I chose not to create a link to those pages because of my uncertainty about the ethics of linking to arbitrary objects that appear in the anonFTP space (and also because, in this particular case, I suspected that the observatory will soon make a formal announcement). I do not necessarily regard all copying of HTML source text without credit to be completely unethical. It really depends on the situation. In particular, if someone adds resource records which he has discovered to records which he has copied from me (now us), I feel much better about it. If he provides the records with a new organization, or presents them in a new style, or uses new classification codes, that too makes me feel better about the copying. If his pages contain whole new categories of records that are not in our pages, that is even better. I.e., in my opinion, copying in the context of *value-added* is a different ethical situation from copying without value-added. A current case-in-point is Michael Naumann, who has copied our HTML source text, but with modifications and additions auf Deutsch. I wish that he had informed us of his intent to produce a translation of our work, but I don't feel that his copying-with-translation was a totally unethical act. If I were him, with my particular ethical feelings, I would now contact the AstroWeb consortium and propose to become at least an adjunct member of the consortium, in order to _officially_ provide a translated edition of the AstroWeb service. I hope that the formation of AstroWeb will stop some of this concern about the ethics of various forms of copying. We are likely to add one or more new members, some of whom would formerly have been copiers. We are also likely to attract records for most new announcements of resources in the future. Because we will have multiple copies, with geographic diversity, most of the motivations for other people copying us are likely to disappear. However, even if these things happen, we must continue to worry about ethical guidelines for ourselves. -Don PS-- there is another policy issue that is almost an ethical question: is it wrong to list _military-related_ resources? The specific case in our current database is the record for "Backgrounds Data Center BDC". When I first saw that record I was definitely uneasy. I read the text closely. I decided that it is probably legitimate astronomy data, and that I would ignore the political/moral questions that inevitably arise in such an association. I am still unsure whether we should have a specific policy statement for cases like this one. From astroweb-request Wed Apr 13 06:31:50 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06696; Wed, 13 Apr 94 06:31:50 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404131033.AA22232@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: The ADS account ... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 12:33:23 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Please find copy of the answer received from Michael Naumann. Daniel ------- Forwarded Message To: egret@simbad (D. egret) Cc: michael@cygnus.uni-muenster.de, creze@simbad, gei@adssun.harvard.edu, seitter@cygnus.uni-muenster.de Subject: Re: Simbad on the Web via AIM, Muenster Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 17:35:02 +0200 From: Michael Naumann Dear Daniel, I'm awfully sorry that I caused such trouble on the Web by offering access to SIMBAD from our WWW pages. As of now -- 12 April 94 16:00 GMT -- I've removed this link from our bibliography page at http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/astro-im-net/bibliography.html You are absolutely right: this service from our WWW page should never have appeared on this page. The AIM (Astronomical Institute Muenster) has an user agreement with ADS and access to the CfA/SIMBAD gateway service worldwide was not intended. When I linked it to our WWW page I thought the "native access" on the CfA/ADS side involved an authorization procedure so that only our registered host aquila.uni-muenster.de could use it. Obviously I was wrong. I think it's a characteristic of the rapidly evolving WorldWideWeb that questions of copyright, authorship and unauthorized access come up and these questions have to be discussed. Thank you for your information and once again I want to apologize for any inconvenience I caused to the astronomical community. I really hope that ADS will turn on the "native access" to SIMBAD as soon as possible. Sincerely yours, Michael Naumann AIM, Muenster CC: Michel Creze (Director CDS) Guenther Eichhorn (ADS Project Manager) Waltraut Seitter (Director Astronomisches Institut Muenster) CC: AstroWeb consortium - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please find below a complete list of hosts (*.strasbg.fr excluded) and the date they accessed our bibliography page and therefore might have used the NASA-ADS-SIMBAD "native access". I will inform administrators on these hosts to sign the ADS User Agreement. [ a short list followed ... DE] From www_server Wed Apr 13 10:10:25 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06949; Wed, 13 Apr 94 10:10:25 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 10:10:19 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404131410.AA06940@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, tribble@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Subject: Cambridge OWNERship Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: tribble @ cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk [131.111.68.35] Please note that almost all of the OWNER fields on the Cambridge astronomy server (essentially anything that references cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk) should be set to webman@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk The exception to this rule would be personal user pages, those that have a filename starting with a ~, such as Karl Glazebrook's stuff. (And mine when I enter it.) The webman account will always remain valid, and all mail to the gopher and waisman accounts will also end up being read by webman. -Peter Tribble From astroweb-request Thu Apr 14 06:22:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09827; Thu, 14 Apr 94 06:22:14 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 12:24:11 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404141024.AA09311@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Copy of the NRAO pages Cc: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Don, We have installed a copy of the NRAO AstroWeb pages, locally at CDS. We are planning to implement a "nightly" update of the files, through ftp, but this is still to be implemented. Regards Daniel From astroweb-request Thu Apr 14 12:19:27 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA10392; Thu, 14 Apr 94 12:19:27 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 18:17:48 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404141617.AA06023@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Mirror copy Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bonjour ! I have now installed a mirror copy of the NRAO astroweb pages at CDS (updated every morning at 5:49 local European time). This can, in principle, be done for the other customized AstroWeb pages as well. Bob: I have used some of your tcl tools. They work very efficiently ! Thanks! Regards Daniel From astroweb-request Thu Apr 14 13:07:23 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA10471; Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:07:23 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:06:32 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9404141706.AA15711@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: C code needed Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Does anyone know of any C code port of the following Fortran module which does B1950->J2000 coordinate conversion? Bob ************************************************** C MODIFIED: 30-AUG-1985, M. JOHNSTON C Inserted BLOCK DATA CONST into PRECESS_B1950_TO_J2000. Block data's are not C automatically loaded by the linker from a library (they must be explicitly C included). With the above change, the common blocks used by the precess C routines are always initialized properly. CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC C C Unit Type C --------- C SUBROUTINE C C Invocation Name And Calling Sequence C ------------------------------------ C # PRECESSJ2000 C # PRECESS_B1950_TO_J2000 # ( # IDENT, ! Input # IUNIT, ! Input # VECTOR, ! Input/Output # PRA, ! Input/Output # PRD, ! Input/Output # VRAD, ! Input/Output # PLX, ! Input/Output # ALP, ! Output # DEL ! Output # ) C CH Version 1.1B 12-DEC-84 13:18:19 MEDEIROS Design/code inspection CH C Keyphrase C --------- C Precesses coordinates from epoch B1950 to J2000. C C Description C ----------- C This module was adapted from the J2000 routine supplied by Jane Russell C and the US Naval Observatory. Every attempt was made to leave the C code as close to the virgin material as possible, even though much C of it must be considered as tolerable exceptions to STScI preferred C programming standards. C C ********** STANDARD SOFTWARE FOR CONVERTING B1950.0 FK4-BASED ********ILO00060 C ********** POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS TO J2000.0 FK5-BASED ********ILO00070 C ********** POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS ********ILO00080 C ********** FOR THE MAIN CAMPAIGN OF PROJECT MERIT ********ILO00090 C ILO00100 C THIS PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED AT AN ANALYSIS CENTER OF ILO00130 C OPTICAL ASTROMETRY (IPMS) UNDER THE COOPERATION WITH ILO00140 C THE TOKYO ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORY. ILO00150 C ILO00160 C PROGRAM DEVELOPERS: K. TANIKAWA AND K. YOKOYAMA (IPMS) ILO00170 C MODIFIED FOR USE AT USNO BY D. MCCARTHY ILO00180 C ILO00190 C ****************************************************************** ILO00240 C IN THIS PROGRAM, CONVERSION IS DONE ILO00250 C ILO00260 C FROM EPOCH B1950.0 FK4-BASED POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS OF STARILO00270 C (REFERRED TO AS OLD, HEREAFTER) ILO00280 C ILO00290 C TO EPOCH J2000.0 FK5-BASED POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS OF STARILO00300 C (REFERRED TO AS NEW, HEREAFTER). ILO00310 C ILO00320 C IN ACCORDANCE WITH IAU RESOLUTIONS ILO00330 C ILO00340 C REFERENCE : S.AOKI, M.SOMA, H.KINOSHITA AND K.INOUE ILO00350 C ILO00360 C CONVERSION MATRIX OF EPOCH B1950.0 FK4-BASED ILO00370 C POSITIONS OF STARS TO EPOCH J2000.0 POSITIONS ILO00380 C IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW IAU RESOLUTIONS ILO00390 C ILO00400 C SUBMITTED TO ASTRONOMY & ASTROPHYSICS, 1983 ILO00410 C ****************************************************************** ILO00420 C C Source File Name C ---------------- C TOJ2000.FOR C C History C ------- C Version Date Author Description C 1 19-JUL-1984 McLaughlin Conversion from supplied code C CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC IMPLICIT NONE C C Argument Declaration and Definitions C ------------------------------------ CHARACTER*16 IDENT ! Star identification, used only if optional ! prntout of results is selected INTEGER*4 IUNIT ! Flag and output unit for printout of results; ! if this parameter is greater than 0, results ! are printed on FORTRAN unit "IUNIT" REAL*8 VECTOR(3) ! Unit 3-vector coordinates REAL*8 PRA ! Proper motion in right ascension [seconds of ! arc per tropical century] REAL*8 PRD ! Proper motion in declination [seconds of arc ! per tropical century] REAL*8 VRAD ! Radial velocity [kilometers/second] REAL*8 PLX ! Parallax [Seconds of arc] REAL*8 ALP ! Right Ascension [Seconds of time] REAL*8 DEL ! Declination [Seconds of arc] C C Modules Referenced C ------------------ EXTERNAL CNVPOS C USNO supplied routine which converts old positions C proper motions to new positions and proper motions EXTERNAL POSOUT C USNO supplied routine which prints out the positions, C proper moions, parallaxes, and radial velocities C C --- BLOCK DATA CONST INSERTED HERE TO ENSURE THAT COMMON BLOCKS ARE C --- INITIALIZED C---formerly: BLOCK DATA CONST C ILO01180 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO01190 C ILO01200 C DEFINITION OF CONSTANTS AND PARAMETERS NECESSARY IN ILO01210 C THE CONVERSION ILO01220 C ILO01230 C PRODUCT ILO01240 C A(3) : CONSTANT VECTOR USED IN SUBROUTINE ETERMS ILO01250 C VA(3) : THE SAME AS ABOVE ILO01260 C C(6,6): TRANSFORMATION MATRIX FROM THE OLD POSITIONS AND ILO01270 C VELOCITIES TO THE NEW POSITIONS AND VELOCITIES ILO01280 C USED IN SUBROUTINE CNVRDR ILO01290 C *** NOTE THAT THE FOLLOWING ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO ILO01300 C CONSTRUCT THE TRANSFORMATION MATRIX. ILO01310 C ILO01320 C 1) CONVERSION OF STANDARD EPOCH FROM B1950.0 TO J2000.0 ILO01330 C 2) CONVERSION OF THE UNIT OF PROPER MOTION FROM ILO01340 C TROPICAL CENTURY INTERVAL TO JULIAN CENTURY INTERVAL ILO01350 C 3) ADOPTION OF 0.035 SECONDS OF TIME FOR THE EQUINOX ILO01360 C CORRECTION AT J1950.0, AND 0.085 SECONDS OF TIME ILO01370 C FOR THE EQUINOX MOTION PER JULIAN CENTURY ILO01380 C 4) THE CONTINUITY OF UT1 IS GUARANTEED AT 1984 JAN. 1.0.ILO01390 C ILO01400 C DTOR,MTOR,STOR ILO01410 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM DEGREES, MINUTES ILO01420 C AND SECONDS, RESPECTIVELY TO RADIANS ILO01430 C RTOD,RTOM,RTOS ILO01440 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM RADIANS TO ILO01450 C DEGREES, MINUTES AND SECONDS, RESPECTIVELY ILO01460 C ILO01470 C ######################################################################ILO01510 C ILO01520 C -- REMOVED IMPLICIT NONE AND REPLACED BY EXPLICIT DECLARATIONS: C -- IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) ILO01530 REAL*8 A,VA REAL*8 C REAL*8 PI,RTOD,DTOR,RTOM,MTOR,RTOS,STOR C ILO01550 COMMON /COMA / A(3),VA(3) COMMON /COMMAT/ C(6,6) COMMON /COMPI / PI,RTOD,DTOR,RTOM,MTOR,RTOS,STOR C DATA A/-1.62557D-6, -0.31919D-6, -0.13843D-6/ DATA VA/ 1.245D-3, -1.580D-3, -0.659D-3/ C ILO01640 DATA C(1,1),C(1,2),C(1,3),C(1,4),C(1,5),C(1,6), # C(2,1),C(2,2),C(2,3),C(2,4),C(2,5),C(2,6), # C(3,1),C(3,2),C(3,3),C(3,4),C(3,5),C(3,6), # C(4,1),C(4,2),C(4,3),C(4,4),C(4,5),C(4,6), # C(5,1),C(5,2),C(5,3),C(5,4),C(5,5),C(5,6), # C(6,1),C(6,2),C(6,3),C(6,4),C(6,5),C(6,6) & / .9999256782D0, -.0111820610D0, -.0048579477D0, & 2.4239502D-6, -2.71066D-8, -1.17766D-8, & .0111820609D0, .9999374784D0, -.0000271765D0, & 2.71066D-8, 2.4239788D-6, -6.59D-11, & .0048579479D0, -.0000271474D0, .9999881997D0, & 1.17766D-8, -6.58D-11, 2.4241017D-6, & -.00055D0, -.23854D0, .43574D0, & .99994704D0, -.01118251D0, -.00485767D0, & .23849D0, -.00267D0, -.00854D0, & .01118251D0, .99995883D0, -.00002718D0, & -.43562D0, .01225D0, .00212D0, & .00485767D0, -.00002714D0, 1.00000956D0/ C ILO01790 DATA PI/ 3.141592653589793238D0/ C ILO01960 C DTOR, MTOR AND STOR ARE COEFFICIENTS ILO01970 C OF CONVERSION FROM DEGREE, MINUTE AND ILO01980 C SECOND, RESPECTIVELY TO RADIAN ILO01990 DATA DTOR/ 0.17453292519943E-01/ DATA MTOR/ 0.29088820866572E-03/ DATA STOR/ 0.48481368110954E-05/ C ILO02030 C RTOD, RTOM AND RTOS ARE COEFFICIENTS ILO02040 C OF CONVERSION FROM RADIAN TO DEGREE ILO02050 C MINUTE AND SECOND, RESPECTIVELY ILO02060 DATA RTOD/ 0.57295779513082E+02/ DATA RTOM/ 0.34377467707849E+04/ DATA RTOS/ 0.20626480624710E+06/ C ILO02100 C --- END OF FORMER BLOCK DATA CONST C Begin Executable Code C --------------------- C C CONVERT THE OLD POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS ILO00970 C TO THE NEW POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS. ILO00980 C ILO00990 CALL CNVPOS(VECTOR,ALP,DEL,PRA,PRD,VRAD,PLX) C ILO01030 C OUTPUT THE NEW POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS OF STARSILO01050 C ILO01080 IF(IUNIT.GT.0 .AND. IUNIT.LT.100) CALL POSOUT(ALP,DEL,PRA,PRD, # VRAD,PLX,IDENT,IUNIT) C ILO01100 C ILO01110 RETURN END SUBROUTINE POSOUT(ALP,DEL,PRA,PRD,VRAD,PLX,IDENT,IUNIT) C ILO04260 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO04270 C ILO04280 C FOR CHECK PURPOSE, PRINT OUT THE POSITIONS AND PROPER ILO04290 C MOTIONS, PARALLAX, AND RADIAL VELOCITY OF STARS. ILO04300 C ILO04310 C INPUT ILO04320 C ALP : RIGHT ASCENSION OF STAR (SECONDS OF TIME) C DEL : DECLINATION OF STAR (SECONDS OF ARC) C PRA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF arc PER TROPICAL CENTURY WHEN C CALLED IN SUBROUTINE OLDPOS) ILO04430 C (SECONDS OF TIME PER JULIAN CENTURY WHEN ILO04440 C CALLED IN SUBROUTINE NEWPOS) ILO04450 C PRD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF ARC PER TROPICAL CENTURY WHEN ILO04470 C CALLED IN SUBROUTINE OLDPOS) ILO04480 C (SECONDS OF ARC PER JULIAN CENTURY WHEN ILO04490 C CALLED IN SUBROUTINE NEWPOS) ILO04500 C VRAD : RADIAL VELOCITY OF STAR (KM/SEC) C =0.0 IF RADIAL VELOCITY IS NOT KNOWN ILO04520 C PLX : PARALLAX OF STAR (SECONDS OF ARC) C =0.0 IF PARALLAX IS NOT KNOWN ILO04540 C IDENT : CATALOG IDENTIFICATION OF THE STAR C ILO04560 C ILO04790 C CALLER ROUTINE ILO04800 C SUBROUTINE J2000 C ILO04830 C ######################################################################ILO04840 C ILO04850 IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) C ILO04870 CHARACTER*16 IDENT INTEGER*2 SGN,BLNK,NEG C ILO04940 DATA BLNK/' '/,NEG/'-'/ C ILO04960 IF(ALP.LT.0.0D0) ALP=ALP+3600.0D0*24.0D0 C ILO05000 C TIME HOUR, TIME MINUTE AND TIME SECOND ILO05010 C PART OF RIGHT ASCENSION ILO05020 IAH=ALP/3600.0D0 DAH=IAH IAM=(ALP-DAH*3600.0D0)/60.0D0 DAM=IAM AS = ALP-DAH*3600.0D0-DAM*60.0D0 C ILO05080 C DEGREE, ARC MINUTE, ARC SECOND PART OF ILO05090 C DECLINATION ILO05100 IDH=DEL/3600.0D0 DDH=IDH IDM=(DABS(DEL)-DABS(DDH)*3600.0D0)/60.0D0 DDM=IDM DS= DABS(DEL)-DABS(DDH)*3600.0D0-DDM*60.0D0 C ILO05160 IDH=IABS(IDH) IF(DEL.LT.0.0D0) SGN=NEG IF(DEL.GE.0.0D0) SGN=BLNK C ILO05200 WRITE(IUNIT,6100) IDENT,IAH,IAM,AS,SGN,IDH,IDM,DS,PRA,PRD, # PLX,VRAD C ILO05240 6100 FORMAT(1X,A16,2X,2I3,F7.3,2X,A1,2I3,F7.3,F9.3,F8.2,1X,F8.3,2X, & F8.1) C ILO05370 RETURN END SUBROUTINE CNVPOS(VECTOR,ALP,DEL,PRA,PRD,VRAD,PLX) C ILO05440 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO05450 C ILO05460 C CONVERT THE OLD POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS ILO05470 C TO THE NEW POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS. ILO05480 C ILO05490 C INPUT ILO05500 C VECTOR : Unit 3_vector coordinates C PRA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF arc PER TROPICAL CENTURY) C PRD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF ARC PER TROPICAL CENTURY) ILO05590 C VRAD : RADIAL VELOCITY OF STAR (KM/SEC) C PLX : PARALLAX OF STAR (SECONDS OF ARC) C ILO05630 C PRODUCT ILO05640 C ALP : RIGHT ASCENSION OF STAR (SECONDS OF TIME) C DEL : DECLINATION OF STAR (SECONDS OF ARC) C PRA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF arc PER JULIAN CENTURY) C PRD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION OF STAR C (SECONDS OF ARC PER JULIAN CENTURY) ILO05730 C VRAD : RADIAL VELOCITY OF STAR (KM/SEC) C =0.0 IF RADIAL VELOCITY IS NOT KNOWN ILO05750 C PLX : PARALLAX OF STAR (SECONDS OF ARC) C =0.0 IF PARALLAX IS NOT KNOWN ILO05770 C ILO05790 C CALLED ROUTINE ILO05830 C SUBROUTINE GTXYZ0 ILO05840 C SUBROUTINE ETERMS ILO05850 C SUBROUTINE CNVRDR ILO05860 C SUBROUTINE XYTOAD ILO05870 C SUBROUTINE DSTORT ILO05880 C ILO05890 C ######################################################################ILO05900 C IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) REAL*8 VECTOR(3) C ILO05930 C CALCULATE THE POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS ILO06030 C OF A STAR, FROM THE OLD FK4-BASED CATALOGUE ILO06040 C POSITION AND PROPER MOTION AT B1950.0. ILO06050 C ILO06060 CALL GTXYZ0(VECTOR,PRA,PRD,VRAD,PLX) C ILO06080 C ILO06090 C REMOVE THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION AND THE EFFECTS OF ILO06110 C THEIR VARIATIONS FROM THE OLD POSITION AND SPACE ILO06120 C MOTION VECTORS AT B1950.0. ILO06130 C ILO06140 CALL ETERMS C ILO06160 C ILO06170 C CONVERT THE OLD POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS AT ILO06190 C B1950.0 TO THE NEW FK5-BASED POSITION AND SPACE MOTION ILO06200 C VECTORS AT J2000.0. ILO06210 C ILO06220 CALL CNVRDR C ILO06240 C ILO06250 C CALCULATE NEW VALUES OF RIGHT ASCENSION, DECLINATION, ILO06270 C THEIR PROPER MOTIONS, PARALLAX AND RADIAL VELOCITY ILO06280 C FROM THE NEW POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS ILO06290 C AT J2000.0 ON FK5 SYSTEM. ILO06300 C ILO06310 CALL XYTOAD(VECTOR,ALP,DEL,PRA,PRD,VRAD,PLX) C ILO06330 C ILO06340 C CORRECT THE POSITIONS AND PROPER MOTIONS OF THE ILO06360 C EPOCH J2000.0 FOR DISTORTIONS IN THE FK4 SYSTEM ILO06370 C (FK5-FK4 SYSTEMATIC DIFFERENCE), WHEN KNOWN. ILO06380 C FOR THE TIME BEING (TILL THE FK5 IS PUBLISHED), ILO06390 C SUBROUTINE DSTORT IS NOT EFFECTIVE. ILO06400 C ILO06410 CALL DSTORT C ILO06470 RETURN END SUBROUTINE GTXYZ0(VECTOR,PA,PD,VR,PX) C ILO06550 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO06560 C ILO06570 C CALCULATE THE POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS ILO06580 C OF A STAR, FROM THE OLD FK4-BASED CATALOGUE ILO06590 C POSITION AND PROPER MOTION AT B1950.0. ILO06600 C ILO06610 C INPUT ILO06620 C VECTOR : Unit 3_vector coordinates C PA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION ILO06650 C (IN SECONDS OF arc PER TROPICAL CENTURY) C PD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION ILO06670 C (IN SECONDS OF ARC PER TROPICAL CENTURY) ILO06680 C VR : RADIAL VELOCITY (IN KM/SEC) ILO06690 C PX : PARALLAX (IN SECONDS OF ARC) ILO06700 C DTOR,MTOR,STOR ILO06710 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM DEGREE, MINUTE ILO06720 C AND SECOND, RESPECTIVELY TO RADIAN ILO06730 C RTOD,RTOM,RTOS ILO06740 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM RADIAN TO ILO06750 C DEGREE, MINUTE AND SECOND, RESPECTIVELY ILO06760 C PRODUCT ILO06770 C X0(3) : POSITION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO06780 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION AT B1950.0 ILO06790 C VX0(3): SPACE MOTION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO06800 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION, AND THEIR ILO06810 C PROPER MOTIONS AT B1950.0 ILO06820 C PX0 : PARALLAX IN THE OLD CATALOGUE ILO06830 C SENT OUT TO SUBROUTINE XYTOAD ILO06840 C ILO06850 C CALLER ROUTINE ILO06860 C SUBROUTINE CNVPOS ILO06870 C ILO06880 C ######################################################################ILO06890 C ILO06900 IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) REAL*8 VECTOR(3) REAL*8 MTOR C ILO06930 COMMON /COMR0 / X0(3),VX0(3) COMMON /OLDPLX/ PX0 COMMON /COMPI / PI,RTOD,DTOR,RTOM,MTOR,RTOS,STOR C ILO06970 C CEF=(KM/AU)(TROPICAL CENTURY/SEC) ILO06980 DATA CEF/21.094502D0/ C ILO07000 C STORE THE PARALLAX IN THE OLD CATALOGUE FOR ILO07010 C THE USE IN SUBROUTINE XYTOAD ILO07020 PX0=PX C ILO07040 C Convert Unit 3_vector to RA and Dec ! NEW CODE CALL DCARSPH (VECTOR,ALP,DEL) ! NEW CODE ALP = ALP * RTOS / 15.0 ! NEW CODE DEL = DEL * RTOS ! NEW CODE COSD=DCOS(DEL*STOR) SIND=DSIN(DEL*STOR) COSA=DCOS(ALP*15.0D0*STOR) SINA=DSIN(ALP*15.0D0*STOR) C ILO07090 C THREE COMPONENTS OF RECTANGULAR COORDINATES ILO07100 X0(1)= VECTOR(1) X0(2)= VECTOR(2) X0(3)= VECTOR(3) C ILO07140 C THREE COMPONENTS OF RECTANGULAR VELOCITIES ILO07150 VX0(1)= -PD*SIND*COSA- PA*X0(2) VX0(2)= -PD*SIND*SINA+ PA*X0(1) VX0(3)= PD*COSD C ILO07190 IF(VR.EQ.0.0D0 .OR. PX.EQ.0.0D0) RETURN C ILO07210 C THE CASE WHEN RADIAL VELOCITY AND PARALLAX ILO07220 C ARE KNOWN ILO07230 VX0(1)=VX0(1)+CEF*VR*PX*X0(1) VX0(2)=VX0(2)+CEF*VR*PX*X0(2) VX0(3)=VX0(3)+CEF*VR*PX*X0(3) C ILO07270 C ILO07280 RETURN END SUBROUTINE ETERMS C ILO07360 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO07370 C ILO07380 C REMOVE THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION AND THE EFFECTS OF ILO07390 C THEIR VARIATIONS FROM THE OLD POSITION AND SPACE ILO07400 C MOTION VECTORS AT B1950.0. ILO07410 C ILO07420 C INPUT ILO07430 C X0(3) : POSITION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO07440 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION AT B1950.0 ILO07450 C VX0(3): SPACE MOTION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO07460 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION, AND THEIR ILO07470 C PROPER MOTIONS AT B1950.0 ILO07480 C A(3) : CONSTANT VECTOR DEFINED IN SUBROUTINE CONST ILO07490 C VA(3) : THE SAME AS ABOVE ILO07500 C PRODUCT ILO07510 C X1(3) : POSITION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO07520 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION AT B1950.0 ILO07530 C FREE FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION ILO07540 C VX1(3): SPACE MOTION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO07550 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION, AND THEIR ILO07560 C PROPER MOTIONS AT B1950.0 ILO07570 C FREE FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION ILO07580 C AND THEIR VARIATIONS ILO07590 C ILO07600 C CALLER ROUTINE ILO07610 C SUBROUTINE CNVPOS ILO07620 C ILO07630 C ######################################################################ILO07640 C ILO07650 IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) C ILO07670 COMMON /COMA / A(3),VA(3) COMMON /COMR0 / X0(3),VX0(3) COMMON /COMR1 / X1(3),VX1(3) C ILO07710 C1=0.0D0 C2=0.0D0 DO 10 I=1,3 C1=C1+X0(I)*A(I) C2=C2+X0(I)*VA(I) 10 CONTINUE C ILO07780 C ILO07790 DO 20 I=1,3 X1(I) =X0(I) -A(I) +C1*X0(I) VX1(I)=VX0(I)-VA(I)+C2*X0(I) 20 CONTINUE C ILO07840 C******************************************************************* ILO07850 C ---- CHECK ---- ILO07860 C IF THE FOLLOWING DO LOOP IS EFFECTIVE, THEN EFFECTS OF E-TERMS OF ILO07870 C ABERRATION WILL NOT BE REMOVED. ILO07880 CC DO 30 I=1,3 ILO07890 CC X1(I)=X0(I) ILO07900 CC VX1(I)=VX0(I) ILO07910 CC 30 CONTINUE ILO07920 C******************************************************************* ILO07930 C ILO07940 RETURN END SUBROUTINE CNVRDR C ILO08020 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO08030 C ILO08040 C CONVERT THE OLD POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS AT ILO08050 C B1950.0 TO THE NEW FK5-BASED POSITION AND SPACE MOTION ILO08060 C VECTORS AT J2000.0. ILO08070 C ILO08080 C INPUT ILO08090 C X1(3) : POSITION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO08100 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION AT B1950.0 ILO08110 C FREE FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION ILO08120 C VX1(3): SPACE MOTION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT B1950.0 BASED ON ILO08130 C THE OLD RIGHT ASCENSION AND DECLINATION, AND THEIR ILO08140 C PROPER MOTIONS AT B1950.0 ILO08150 C FREE FROM THE EFFECTS OF THE E-TERMS OF ABERRATION ILO08160 C AND THEIR VARIATIONS ILO08170 C C(6,6): TRANSFORMATION MATRIX FROM THE OLD POSITION AND ILO08180 C SPACE MOTION VECTORS AT B1950.0 TO THE NEW POSITION ILO08190 C AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS AT J2000.0 ILO08200 C THEIR VALUES ARE GIVEN IN SUBROUTINE CONST ILO08210 C PRODUCT ILO08220 C X(3) : POSITION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT J2000.0 ON FK5 SYSTEMILO08230 C VX(3) : SPACE MOTION VECTOR OF THE STAR AT J2000.0 ON FK5 ILO08240 C SYSTEM ILO08250 C ILO08260 C CALLER ROUTINE ILO08270 C SUBROUTINE CNVPOS ILO08280 C ILO08290 C ######################################################################ILO08300 C ILO08310 IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) C ILO08330 COMMON /COMMAT/ C(6,6) COMMON /COMR1 / X1(3),VX1(3) COMMON /COMR / X(3),VX(3) C ILO08370 DO 10 I=1,3 X(I)=0.0D0 VX(I)=0.0D0 10 CONTINUE C ILO08420 C ILO08430 DO 30 I=1,3 DO 20 J=1,3 X(I) = X(I)+C(I,J) * X1(J) + C(I,J+3) * VX1(J) VX(I)=VX(I)+C(I+3,J)*X1(J) + C(I+3,J+3)*VX1(J) 20 CONTINUE 30 CONTINUE C ILO08500 C ILO08510 RETURN END SUBROUTINE XYTOAD(VECTOR,ALP,DEL,PA,PD,VR,PX) C ILO08580 C ######################## SPECIFICATION ###########################ILO08590 C ILO08600 C CALCULATE NEW VALUES OF RIGHT ASCENSION, DECLINATION, ILO08610 C THEIR PROPER MOTIONS, PARALLAX AND RADIAL VELOCITY ILO08620 C FROM THE NEW POSITION AND SPACE MOTION VECTORS ILO08630 C AT J2000.0 ON FK5 SYSTEM. ILO08640 C ILO08650 C INPUT ILO08660 C X(3) : THREE COMPONENTS OF RECTANGULAR COORDINATES ILO08670 C CORRESPONDING TO THE NEW CATALOGUE POSITION ILO08680 C VX(3) : THREE COMPONENTS OF RECTANGULAR VELOCITIES ILO08690 C CORRESPONDING TO THE NEW CATALOGUE POSITION ILO08700 C AND PROPER MOTION ILO08710 C PX0 : PARALLAX IN THE OLD CATALOGUE ILO08720 C DTOR,MTOR,STOR ILO08730 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM DEGREE, MINUTE ILO08740 C AND SECOND, RESPECTIVELY TO RADIAN ILO08750 C RTOD,RTOM,RTOS ILO08760 C : COEFFICIENTS OF CONVERSION FROM RADIAN TO ILO08770 C DEGREE, MINUTE AND SECOND, RESPECTIVELY ILO08780 C PRODUCT ILO08790 C VECTOR : Unit 3_vector coordinates C ALP : RIGHT ASCENSION (IN SECONDS OF TIME) ILO08800 C DEL : DECLINATION (IN SECONDS OF ARC) ILO08810 C PA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION ILO08820 C (IN SECONDS OF arc PER JULIAN CENTURY) C PD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION ILO08840 C (IN SECONDS OF ARC PER JULIAN CENTURY) ILO08850 C VR : RADIAL VELOCITY (IN KM/SEC) ILO08860 C PX : PARALLAX (IN SECONDS OF ARC) ILO08870 C ABOVE VARIABLES ARE THE NEW POSITION AND PROPER MOTION ILO08880 C ILO08890 C CALLER ROUTINE ILO08900 C SUBROUTINE CNVPOS ILO08910 C ILO08920 C ######################################################################ILO08930 C ILO08940 IMPLICIT REAL*8 (A-H,O-Z) REAL*8 MTOR real*8 vector(3) C ILO08970 COMMON /COMR / X(3),VX(3) COMMON /OLDPLX/ PX0 COMMON /COMPI / PI,RTOD,DTOR,RTOM,MTOR,RTOS,STOR C ILO09010 C R2 = X**2 + Y**2 +Z**2 ILO09020 C RS2= X**2 + Y**2 ILO09030 C R = (X**2 + Y**2 + Z**2)**0.5 ILO09040 C RS = (X**2 + Y**2)**0.5 ILO09050 R2=X(1)**2+X(2)**2+X(3)**2 RS2=X(1)**2+X(2)**2 R=DSQRT(R2) RS=DSQRT(RS2) C ILO09100 C CDCA=COS(DELTA)*COS(ALPHA) ILO09110 C CDSA=COS(DELTA)*SIN(ALPHA) ILO09120 C SD =SIN(DELTA) ILO09130 CDCA = X(1)/R CDSA = X(2)/R SD = X(3)/R C ILO09170 C PA : PROPER MOTION IN RIGHT ASCENSION ILO09180 C PD : PROPER MOTION IN DECLINATION ILO09190 C VR : RADIAL VELOCITY ILO09200 C PX : PARALLAX ILO09210 PA = (X(1)*VX(2)-VX(1)*X(2))/RS2 PD = ( VX(3)*RS2-X(3)*(X(1)*VX(1)+X(2)*VX(2)) )/R2/RS IF(PX0.GT.0.0D0) & VR = 0.047404704D0*( X(1)*VX(1)+X(2)*VX(2)+X(3)*VX(3) )/PX0/R PX = PX0/R C ILO09270 C ****************************************************************** ILO09280 C NOTE : IN THE FOLLOWING CALCULATIONS ILO09290 C DATAN2 IS THE DOUBLE PRECISION FUNCTION ARCTANGENT. IT HAS ILO09300 C TWO ARGUMENTS, FIRST BEING THE Y-COORDINATE AND THE SECOND ILO09310 C THE X-COORDINATE. ITS RANGE IS FROM -PI TO +PI ILO09320 C ****************************************************************** ILO09330 C ILO09340 IF(CDCA.EQ.0.0D0) GO TO 10 ALP=DATAN2(CDSA,CDCA) IF(ALP.LT.0.0D0) ALP=PI*2.0D0+ALP GO TO 20 10 CONTINUE ALP=PI-DSIGN(1.0D0,CDSA)*PI/2.0D0 20 CONTINUE C ILO09420 C ILO09430 CD=CDCA**2+CDSA**2 CD=DSQRT(CD) DEL=DATAN2(SD,CD) C ILO09470 C CONVERSIONS FROM RADIANS TO SECONDS OF TIME ILO09480 C AND SECONDS OF ARC ILO09490 ALP=ALP*RTOS/15.0D0 DEL=DEL*RTOS C ILO09520 C ILO09530 vector(1) = x(1) ! new code vector(2) = x(2) ! new code vector(3) = x(3) ! new code RETURN END SUBROUTINE DSTORT C ILO09600 C SPECIFICATION ILO09610 C CORRECT THE POSITION AND PROPER MOTION OF THE EPOCH ILO09620 C J2000.0 FOR DISTORTIONS IN THE FK4 SYSTEM (FK5-FK4 ILO09630 C SYSTEMATIC DIFFERENCE), WHEN KNOWN ILO09640 C ILO09650 C ILO09660 RETURN END From www_server Fri Apr 15 04:00:02 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11408; Fri, 15 Apr 94 04:00:02 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 03:59:58 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404150759.AA11399@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, egret@simbad.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Correction (deletion) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: egret @ cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr [130.79.128.6] Hi ! I suggest that the anchors to the personal files of DIVETAIN and QUATREHOMME be deleted from the AstroWeb database: both persons are software contractors who have now left the CDS, Strasbourg and astronomy. [ They were originally in Andre's list, from where they have now been deleted ! ]. The anchors are no longer valid starting today. Daniel Egret From astroweb-request Fri Apr 15 07:10:15 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA12626; Fri, 15 Apr 94 07:10:15 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 21:10:02 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404151110.AA09046@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Network ethics Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, My apologies for not joining in the discussion to date, the last week or two have been extremely busy for me. I actually have some relevant experiences to share: Andre Heck wrote: > ... It is all too easy to download via > Mosaic files that have taken hours of navigation to the original > compilers to put together. People with a minimum of deontology will > put the appropriate credit or follow the advices given. This has already happened to my old list although the evidence is only circumstantial. In early March, soon after ATNF came onto WWW, the maintainer (Jim Argyros) made available a list of astronomy resources remarkably like mine, including all the URLs, no new ones, and sorted identically - however no credits as to its origin were given anywhere. When I emailed him about it he denied having copied it - although I'd found that my list was fetched by http from his machine the day before it appeared on ATNF. And given the fact that none of our pre-AstroWeb lists were anywhere near complete, I felt that the chances of another such list being identical were vanishingly small. The official announcement of AstroWeb, together with the fact that he did add new URLs to his list after I emailed him, have made this incident somewhat moot; however since the issue has been raised I felt I should share this with you. (NB: Peter Mueller at MPIfR had copied the ATNF list, but happily replaced it with mine (incl. credits) when I informed him of the true situation. Gereon Dahmen at the SCMT in Chile had copied the list from MPIfR before Peter changed it. I emailed him too but received no response - so currently there are two unathorised, un-credited copies of it on the Net: ATNF and SCMT.. I personally feel there's no point in pursuing the matter now that AstroWeb is public, since the old lists have been effectively superceded). Regarding Don's points about whether or not to publicly list dubious URLs on AstroWeb - personally I feel that the best thing is to contact the maintainer of any information which is even slightly dubious, inform them of how widely the URL will be publicised, and obtain approval (preferably "official", eg from the dept head). Having obtained this, it would then probably be wise to include a comment to that effect in the AstroWeb "1-paragraph" description of the URL. I have in mind Don's examples of the EVN-TNG meeting, military sites, UCL, etc. I'd also discovered Glazebrook's UCL link (which is now dead?..) but had not added it because it was not accessible via the UK hyper-map (the only accessible one is UCL comp. sci.) and therefore apparently not publicly advertised (although I'll admit that hypermaps are not always as up-to-date as they should be). cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Fri Apr 15 08:31:53 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA12748; Fri, 15 Apr 94 08:31:53 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 14:33:42 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9404151233.AA28773@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: AstroWeb CDS pages Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Last news of the CDS AstroWeb pages: they include now mirror copies of all the other AstroWeb pages (NRAO, STScI, STECF, MSSSO), updated every night at 5:49. In practice I am not sure it's really useful on a network point of view (from here, for instance, only MSSSO is really difficult to reach; links to the States are *generally* fast enough -- only the VanGogh picture is slow to transfer !!). But I find that quite satisfactory as an example of how can work an efficient world-wide collaboration. For your information here is the list of files I transfer (please let me know when locations or names of some of these files are changed !): NRAO http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astronomy.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_areas.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_observing.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_data.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_organization.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_software.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_library.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_people.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_astroweb.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_pictures.html http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_misc.html MSSSO http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton astronomy.html ST-ECF http://ecf.hq.eso.org/astro-resources.html STScI http://stsci.edu/net-resources.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-ftp.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-gopher.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-news.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-telnet.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-wais.html http://stsci.edu/astroweb-html/net-www.html For completeness: CDS files are: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/astroweb.html http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck/url1.htm http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck/url2.htm Best regards, Daniel PS: Bob: Francois Ochsenbein (francois@simbad.u-strasbg.fr) tells me he has a C version of the B1950 -> J2000 package, but that he is still working for double checking it. From astroweb-request Fri Apr 15 08:54:46 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA12803; Fri, 15 Apr 94 08:54:46 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 22:54:54 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404151254.AA10389@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb CDS pages Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Daniel Egret writes: > In practice I am not sure it's really useful on a network point of view > (from here, for instance, only MSSSO is really difficult to reach; links > to the States are *generally* fast enough -- only the VanGogh picture Interesting... I generally find Europe difficult to reach while links to the US are also fast. I think this is because the only link out of Australia is trans-Pacific, so anything to/from Europe goes via the U.S first. To save on such traffic, how about first getting one of the header files (updated when 'make' is run) - if this is more recent than your current mirror copy from that site then fetch the rest, else leave them. It should be possible to incorporate this into your automatic transfer. I've been wondering for a while about what's going to happen when we all start transferring mirror copies of each others' files... > http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton astronomy.html For some reason the '/' got left out in that URL: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html If you're interested in any of the awk scripts, some of which I've modified from Don's NRAO versions, as well as the MSSSO header file (in this case "head_astro_mssso.html"), they are in my 'development' directory (a modified version of Don's astroweb directory): http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astroweb/ I intend to also make a formal astroweb mirror available as soon as possible, as well as splitting my page up into a number of smaller ones and generally tidying it up; the main reason for not doing it to date is just lack of time. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Fri Apr 15 09:01:59 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA12835; Fri, 15 Apr 94 09:01:59 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 23:01:49 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9404151301.AA10508@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb CDS pages Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Our file server has also been up and down like a yo-yo since a power-glitch on Wednesday, which might explain any recent connectivity problems. The computing section tried something today which will hopefully fix it. - anton. From astroweb-request Sat Apr 16 08:18:12 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA15006; Sat, 16 Apr 94 08:18:12 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404161215.AA02431@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: AstroWeb announcements Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 14:15:57 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Friends, Daniel and I were considering putting an AstroWeb annoucement in the next CDS Bulletin, in addition to the Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. paper that will take more time to appear. Authorship: Bob first and the rest of us by alphabetical order? I hope that, because the majority of the authors will be European, we won't have to pay page charges in Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. Unless someone else volunteers, I'll start putting something (short) together and circulate it for comments, ammendments, etc., and possibly approval. All the best, Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Mon Apr 18 03:55:56 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA19139; Mon, 18 Apr 94 03:55:56 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404180755.AA17272@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 09:56:13 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: ESIS on NCSA-Mosaic Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 20:29:56 GMT >From: giommi%isd1.span@Sdsc.Edu >Subject: ESIS on NCSA-Mosaic >To: hmadorf@eso.org >X-St-Vmsmail-To: SDS::"hmadorf@eso.org" ! SENT TO @V2.DISTRIBUTION > > > Dear colleague, > >this message is to inform you that some of the ESIS services are now also >available through WWW/NCSA Mosaic. > > Currently the list includes: > > data browser (including multiple searches, cross-correlations etc) > bibliography (including access to SIMBAD references and abstracts > from the NASA file) > extensive documentation > tutorials > cookbook > anonymous ftp (giving access to user's guide, preprints, newsletter, > client software etc) > > These facilities are offered as an experimental service and will evolve > significantly in the near future. The ESIS client software remains the > main interface to ESIS and gives access to a much wider set of tools, more > data and much more functionality. The ESIS client software (for VAX/VMS > and SUN/UNIX) can be copied from our anonymous ftp service. > > All ESIS mosaic pages can be accessed from our home page at the > following URL address http://mesis.esrin.esa.it/html/esis.html > > >Regards, >Paolo Giommi > > From www_server Mon Apr 18 16:01:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20957; Mon, 18 Apr 94 16:01:30 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 16:01:26 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404182001.AA20948@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, crogers@drao.nrc.ca Subject: ammendment to DRAO entry Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: crogers @ cygnus.drao.nrc.ca [192.139.21.39] Under the entry for Dominion Radio AStrophysical Observatory (DRAO) would you please add a link to the version Aussi disponible en français merci, Chris Rogers From astroweb-request Tue Apr 19 03:47:54 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA22496; Tue, 19 Apr 94 03:47:54 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404190747.AA10205@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 09:48:12 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Software Support Laboratory Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, you might have a look at
The SSL archives and distributes software -- and information about software -- for space and Earth scientists. It provides descriptions of a wide assortment of software tools, of NASA's scientific data systems, data formats, software standards, and more. Also useful tips on how to make information available via the World Wide Web are provided. Quite interesting (particularly pointers to WWW search engines). They have two references to astronomical resources on the Internet: * ESA's Astronomical Internet Resource List * STI's Astronomical Internet Resource List May be, someone could contact them (ssl@sslab.colorado.edu) and point out our more comprehensive list. Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Wed Apr 20 02:58:46 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25076; Wed, 20 Apr 94 02:58:46 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404200655.AA06088@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: IRAM anchor Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 08:55:43 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Please replace: ftp://iraux2.iram.fr/pub/iram.html by: http://iraux2.iram.fr/www/iram.html Andre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Thu Apr 21 08:36:00 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA28636; Thu, 21 Apr 94 08:36:00 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:35:44 +0200 (WET-DST) From: ILOVAISKY@OBSHPB.OBS-HP.FR (OHP - Haute Provence, fax +33 92 766295, phone +33 92 70 6465) Message-Id: <940421143544.20a00b5f@OBSHPB.OBS-HP.FR> Subject: WWW To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu" Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hello, Our institute (Observatoire de Haute-Provence, alias OHP) is now on Internet. It is an optical observatory in southeast France offering small and medium-sized observing facilities to astronomers in France, Europe and abroad. Information about OHP can be obtained by anonymous FTP to obshpb.obs-hp.fr We would appreciate it if you could include OHP in the list of Astronomical Information Sources on the Internet, under Observatories and Institutes. (I got this list from ESO through WWW). Best regards, Sergio A. Ilovaisky Observatoire de Haute-Provence 04870 St.Michel l'Observatoire France (ilovaisky@obshpb.obs-hp.fr) From astroweb-request Mon Apr 25 08:34:12 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA08219; Mon, 25 Apr 94 08:34:12 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404251232.AA28107@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 14:34:30 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Imaging on the Internet - Scientific / Industrial Resources Cc: hanisch@stsci.edu (Bob Hanisch) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ... by Shari L.S. Worthington, Advanced Imaging, Feb. 1994, p. 17-20, contains many useful pointers to information about image processing available on the Internet. It features a box on "Astronomy and Space Exploration" which, among other things, mentions the STScI Gopher server. Should we bring AstroWeb to his/her attention? Cheers Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Wed Apr 27 11:40:18 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13622; Wed, 27 Apr 94 11:40:18 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9404271543.AA24875@hale.yerkes.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:38:24 -0600 To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU From: jab@yerkes.uchicago.edu (Judy Bausch) X-Sender: jab@hale.yerkes.uchicago.edu Subject: astronomical resources Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I was looking at the list on Mosaic a short while ago and noticed that University of Chicago is misspelled (under Observatories and Institutes). Are you the person who can correct this? ****************************************************************************** Judith A. Bausch voice: 414-245-5555 Yerkes Observatory Library fax: 414-245-9805 Center for Astrophysical Research email: jab@yerkes.uchicago.edu 373 W. Geneva St. P.O. Box 258 Williams Bay, WI 53191-0258 ****************************************************************************** From dwells Fri Apr 29 11:52:15 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18414; Fri, 29 Apr 94 11:52:15 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 11:52:13 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9404291552.AA18408@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: I am still here Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear AstroWeb friends, I suspect several of you have been wondering what happened to me. I was concentrating nearly 100% on the GBT during the past 3 weeks, in order to meet a deadline for a project review meeting. My work reached a successful conclusion, and I am now trying to catch up on all the things that didn't get done during that period, which includes AstroWeb. I created a Web page to describe my recent GBT work: http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells/cube2.html The page contains URLs pointing to two interesting GIFs. -Don From www_server Fri Apr 29 14:52:43 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18697; Fri, 29 Apr 94 14:52:43 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 14:52:31 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9404291852.AA18688@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: arun@naic.edu, astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center WWW server Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Arun Venkataraman @ 192.65.176.64 [192.65.176.64] Please correct the entry for the NAIC (Arecibo Observatory) under the Telescopes heading in the Astroweb resource list. Here is a short HTML paragraph which will fix the reference and also provide a description of the server: National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center (NAIC, Arecibo Observatory)

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