From astroweb-request Fri Jul 1 22:38:33 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA02613; Fri, 1 Jul 94 22:38:33 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407020242.AA03535@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: The paper on AstroWeb ..... Date: Sat, 02 Jul 94 04:42:09 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU ... has been definitively accepted for Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. AH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Sun Jul 3 02:28:03 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04385; Sun, 3 Jul 94 02:28:03 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sun, 3 Jul 94 16:27:51 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9407030627.AA02774@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: How to update AstroWeb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, just for the record, my version of AstroWeb is also now based on the STScI master list (has been for a while). Once a day the list is automatically fetched and the files are re-made. I use the "newmaster.html" file instead of the tcl file, but this is simply because all the machinery for making the MSSSO presentation is based on html files. I also still fetch mirror copies from the other AstroWeb sites. Editing the database locally and re-loading it at STScI works well and is not too slow; I've simply been following the 4 steps suggested on Bob's form although step 3 does not appear necessary (perhaps just because MSO is running Mosaic 2.x?). In any case, this seems to be a practical way for any of us to add new links and make changes to the database; certainly this is how I'll be adding new links from now on. As for additions by the rest of the world, currently I just merge both "inp_incoming.html" and "newmaster.html". This also works well; one possible improvement in this area would be to set up inp_incoming.html so that we can edit the entire thing. The entry form is nice because it does impose a certain amount of order on what people enter, but quite often some minor changes are still necessary after records have been entered. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Mon Jul 4 04:04:40 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA07154; Mon, 4 Jul 94 04:04:40 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 18:04:16 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9407040804.AA09096@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: How to update AstroWeb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hans-Martin, > may be you have stated it somewhere, but what 'machinery' are you actually > using? Tcl? shell scripts? There are effectively two levels to it. The first level is a set of tcl scripts taken primarily from those used by Bob and Daniel; these are the scripts which fetch Astroweb files from other sites and compare differences between new and older versions. See the directory http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astroweb/fetch for more details; the README file there explains the sequence in which these tcl scripts are run and what their relationship to each other is. All the scripts which do this work are contained in this directory. The controlling script for the whole process is the file: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astroweb/fetch/update-astroweb The second 'level' is invoked towards the end of 'update-astroweb'; this consists of running 'make mssso' to update my own AstroWeb presentation. The makefile and associated awk scripts are all modified from those initially used by Don. They are all kept in the directory above "fetch", ie in: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astroweb The main files of importance here are Makefile and *.awk. The only changes I have made to these scripts are those which create an "MSSSO" format astroweb instead of an NRAO one; otherwise they function much as Don described them sometime back. I use a little shell script ("update.sh") to regularly call "update-astroweb" using the unix command "at", currently set to do it at 7:30pm each night. I apologize for the somewhat haphazard nature of this whole set of directories; I don't really have enough time to make it tidy and user-friendly; as long as it all works I am happy. But feel free to take any or all of these scripts and improve them in any way you see fit. I'm only passing on what I got from the others in any case. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Tue Jul 5 15:06:18 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA09745; Tue, 5 Jul 94 15:06:18 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 15:06:10 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407051906.AA07832@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, miller@stsci.edu Subject: Abstract for Mosaic anda Web International Conference '94 Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Here is a first cut at an abstract for a paper/presentation for the Mosaic and the Web International Conference '94. The abstract is due July 10th. Length limit = 250 words, Current count = 243 words. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions for improvement. Bob ***************************************************************** AstroWeb is a WWW interface to a collection of Internet accessible resources aimed at the astronomical community. It consolidates the separate resource listings previously maintained by the consortium members in the United States, France, Germany, and Australia. A set of tools has been developed to assist in the maintainance and distribution of the collection by the widely distributed consortium members. These tools allow the members to consolidate their resource discovery efforts while providing them with complete control over their local presentations. EditMaster allows each member to make changes to the collection. It uses HTML forms for editing within within the WWW client session or to transfer a file to and from the members local machine. It uses CVS to prevent one person from inadvertantly undoing another person's changes. (HTML TEXTAREA's can even be used to transfer binary executables to a server.) ValidateMaster checks, three times a day, that each non-Telnet resource is still available and creates HTML files listing the "dead" or "unreliable" resources. Currently ~47 of the 1029 URL's are listed as "dead" or "unreliable". IndexMaster uses WAIS to provide a searchable index to the collection. Each resource is categorized by keywords located in HTML comments. The entire HTML file version of the collection is put into the WAIS index and it can be searched by category keyword, URL, resource name, etc. ReformatMaster fetches the collection from a central repository and reformats the contents into the presentation desired at the members site. From www_server Thu Jul 7 14:38:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA04191; Thu, 7 Jul 94 14:38:30 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 14:38:22 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9407071838.AA04174@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, messerot@oat.ts.astro.it Subject: Duplicate Entry to be deleted Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Mauro Messerotti @ sgw001.oat.ts.astro.it [140.105.72.10] Dear Sirs, I entered two times the information for the Italian Solar Physics Community Server. Only the SECOND ONE should be retained, because the first one is incorrect. Therefore I ask you to be so kind to delete the first entry and leave the second one (THE Star ISPCS). Thank you in advance and best regards. Yours sincerely, Mauro Messerotti From astroweb-request Fri Jul 8 06:11:50 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05697; Fri, 8 Jul 94 06:11:50 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 12:10:23 +0200 From: messerot@sgw001.oat.ts.astro.it (Mauro Messerotti) Message-Id: <9407081010.AA19498@sgw001> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Duplicate Entry to be Eliminated from Database Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear Sirs, I am not sure I used the mailing facility in the correct way. Therefore I send you this further message. Yesterday (July 6) I enetered two times the information for the Italian Solar Physics Community Server. The first one should be eliminated and the SECOND ONE RETAINED, i.e., it should appear only "THE STAR ISPCS", which is the correct one. I thank you in advance for consideration and I remain Yours sincerely Mauro Messerotti ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Mauro MESSEROTTI Telephone +39-40-3199-223 (office) Astronomical Observatory Telephone +39-40-3199-111 (operator) Via G.B. Tiepolo, 11 TELEFAX +39-40-309418 34131 TRIESTE (Italy) TELEX 461137 OAT I =========================== E-MAIL "THE SUN IS WORTH STUDYING" 38439::MESSEROTTI (DECNET) -- messerotti@oat.ts.astro.it (INTERNET) M. M. messerotti@oat.trieste.it (INTERNET) =========================== messerotti@solar.stanford.edu (SOLARMAIL) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Fri Jul 8 10:41:07 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06148; Fri, 8 Jul 94 10:41:07 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 16:44:58 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9407081444.AA07310@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Bob's abstract Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, Your abstract gives a good overview of the tools used within AstroWeb. Do you have a title ? In the first paragraph, "a collection of Internet accessible resources" might be misleading. I would suggest: "a collection of links to Internet accessible resources" or something of the like... You have a duplicated "within" in the 2nd line of 3rd paragraph. Andre Heck and me also plan to attend this 'Mosaic and the Web' Conference in Chicago. We have submitted an abstract proposing an overview of the Web in astronomy and related space sciences. See you there ! Andre will also be at ADASS IV. Best regards Daniel From dwells Fri Jul 8 11:41:45 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06241; Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:41:45 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 11:41:43 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9407081541.AA06235@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: NRAO situation, master database Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear AstroWeb friends, The AstroWeb pages at NRAO have been computed solely from the STScI database for several days now. The procedure has worked well so far. Therefore, I decided yesterday that I will make it be automatic. Due to a trivial syntax error, it did not work on the first try 6 hours ago, and so once again I had to order it by hand. It is highly likely that the automatic procedure will work tomorrow, 18 hours from now. The file http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/yp_master.html will be computed from the STScI database at 5am Eastern every day, and so it will continue to be a version of the master database for AstroWeb. However, the files in my 'astroweb' subdirectory will be subject to change! I would like to know which of those files are being used by other AstroWeb sites. In particular, I expect to make more changes in my AWK scripts and Makefile and I expect to delete the yp_* files in the astroweb subdirectory (they are now identical to the versions in the parent directory). -*- I have made several changes in the AstroWeb master database at STScI in recent days. I expect to make more changes. Anton has been very active in recent days! The database is visibly better each day. I conclude that we are on the right track, that Bob's concept of the central server based on forms and CVS is working, and I encourage the members of the Consortium who have not yet begun to use the database forms to do so. -*- I am considering implementing various improvements for the AstroWeb input forms and supporting software. Before beginning the project, I would like to hear opinions and ideas from the Consortium. My main goal will be to provide means such that AstroWeb members can easily edit submitted resources and insert them into the STScI database, and can mark them off the list of inputs. Is this what we want? Is anyone else planning to implement some sort of overlapping capability? Is there a better way to reach our goals? -Don From astroweb-request Mon Jul 11 08:06:34 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13240; Mon, 11 Jul 94 08:06:34 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 22:06:18 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9407111206.AA15435@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: NRAO situation, master database Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, with regards to the questions Don posed us: > I am considering implementing various improvements for the AstroWeb > input forms and supporting software. Before beginning the project, I > would like to hear opinions and ideas from the Consortium. My main > goal will be to provide means such that AstroWeb members can easily > edit submitted resources and insert them into the STScI database, and > can mark them off the list of inputs. Is this what we want? Is anyone > else planning to implement some sort of overlapping capability? Is > there a better way to reach our goals? My views of useful improvements are: (1) every time a new entry is made via the form, a tcl version of inp_incoming is generated (with a format identical to that of Bob's newmaster.tcl); (2) a facility to enable us to edit that tcl file in the same was as we currently edit newmaster.tcl (I basically have in mind cutting an entry from inp_incoming.tcl and pasting it into newmaster.tcl with potentially no changes needed). I still favour not letting the world in general have direct access to newmaster.tcl since minor changes to their entries are still sometimes needed; the above method will be one way of minimizing the effort involved in transcribing entries from inp_incoming.tcl to newmaster.tcl. cheers, - anton. PS these are just my suggestions; I do not intend writing the code.. From astroweb-request Mon Jul 11 16:51:34 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14016; Mon, 11 Jul 94 16:51:34 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 16:51:28 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407112051.AA02388@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Draft of ADASS abstract Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU % ADASSABFRM.TEX -- ADASS meeting abstract electronic form. % DON'T remove the following comments; they identify the form. % % Astronomical Data Analysis Software and Systems electronic abstract form. % Meeting #4, STScI, 3700 San Martin Drive, Baltimore MD, 21218, USA % % Abstract DEADLINE: 15 July, 1994 \documentstyle[11pt,adassab]{article} \nofiles \sessiontype{ oral } % REQUIRED % \firstauthor{NAME} The first author is the "presentor" of the % paper. This name must be identified separately % from the \author list for clerical and % communication reasons. \firstauthor{ Robert E. Jackson } % REQUIRED \authoraddress{STScI APSB\\3700 San Martin Dr.\\Baltimore, MD 21218 } % REQUIRED \authorphone{ 410 338 4737 } % REQUIRED \authoremail{ jackson@stsci.edu } % OPTIONAL % % heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr % \begin{document} \title{ Astroweb - Internet Resources for Astronomers } \author{ Robert E. Jackson } \affil{ Computer Sciences Corporation, Space Telescope Science Institute} % % This is a guess, please correct my egregious errors. % \author{ Andre Heck } \affil{Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory} \begin{abstract} AstroWeb is a WWW interface to a collection of Internet accessible resources aimed at the astronomical community. The goal of AstroWeb is to be the most complete, up to date, and useful listing of astronomical resources available anywhere. It consolidates the separate resource listings previously maintained by the consortium members in the United States (STScI and NRAO), France (CDS), Germany (STECF), and Australia (MSSO). The collection currently contains a total of 886 World Wide Web, Gopher, Wide Area Information System, Telnet, and Anonymous FTP resources and it is still growing. AstroWeb provides the additional value-added services: Categorization of each resource; Descriptive paragraphs for some resources; Searchable index of all resource information; 3x daily search for 'dead' or 'unreliable' resources; \end{abstract} % The following two lines are REQUIRED. Leave them alone. \admininfo \end{document} From dwells Mon Jul 11 17:15:13 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14063; Mon, 11 Jul 94 17:15:13 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 17:15:12 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9407112115.AA14057@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: Re: NRAO situation, master database In-Reply-To: <9407111206.AA15435@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9407111206.AA15435@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU anton koekemoer writes: > My views of useful improvements are: (1) every time a new entry is made via > the form, a tcl version of inp_incoming is generated (with a format identical > to that of Bob's newmaster.tcl); Yes, that is essentially what I have in mind. My current plan is that the new entry will be in fields in a form which will cause Bob's database to do an ADD operation. Any of us can edit the fields, and enter our name/password, and order the operation. After the operation is done, the new entry will be removed from the input list. I.e., any of us will be able to do the work, at any time, and the rest of us will not need to check whether the work has been done. > .. I still favour not letting the world in > general have direct access to newmaster.tcl since minor changes to their > entries are still sometimes needed; .. I agree. > PS these are just my suggestions; I do not intend writing the code.. Thanks for commenting on my ideas. I intend to try to write this code, unless someone else wants to do the job or somebody suggests a better way to get what we want. -Don From astroweb-request Tue Jul 12 04:18:01 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14524; Tue, 12 Jul 94 04:18:01 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 10:18:11 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9407120818.AA21827@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: update the astroweb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, I agree with the approach suggested by Anton and Don regarding the addition of new entries. On my side I have started thinking about the improvement of existing entries. More specifically, staying in a field I know reasonably well, the "Data resources, and information systems", I have looked at the contents of the database with a "referee's" eye. A lot of minor (or less minor) things can lead to improvements (correction of errors, addition of cross-reference, changes in the categorization, addition of missing entries, etc.). I would be willing to spend some time in the near future incorporating such corrections. And now, my complaints... The correction mode is currently too heavy to use (at least to my knowledge:I may have missed some proposed solutions ?): the way I found is to EDIT the whole master database (from Bob's form http://lor.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/astrowebedit/login). It is not practical to use the Mosaic field window (because of the size of the database and the length of the lines) and when I save the html file locally, I cannot use my familiar tools (... vi and other Unix tools) because the lines are too long... Could Bob also confirm the status of the use of <, > and & in this file ? So, my suggestion: Would it be possible to apply a more convenient format to the html master file (i.e. with short lines, and a presentation close enough to what will apeear on the MOSAIC page). This would be a real help for those of us who are not "computer gurus" ! (Well, let's see, am I the only one ;-) ?). Next time, I will request a real DBMS, allowing to access any entry and update it !!! Best regards Daniel From astroweb-request Tue Jul 12 05:14:32 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14810; Tue, 12 Jul 94 05:14:32 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 14:42:04+050 From: amk@iucaa.ernet.in (Anita M. Kane) Message-Id: <9407120942.AA25013@iucaa> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, dwells@NRAO.EDU Subject: WWW server in India Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The officially mandated server of our Centre - The Inter-University Centre for Astronomy & Astrophysics, Pune, India - is operational for the last 2 - weeks I would greately appreciate if it is put in the list of Astronomy departments in your www server. The html announcement of our server is included below - The Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCAA) home page. Among other things, it contains information about its research programme, faculty, graduate programme and facilities which include an Astronomical Data Centre. =============================================================================== Anita Kane Systems Manager Inter University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics Post Bag 4 FAX 91-212-335760 Ganeshkhind, PUNE 411007 e-mail anita@iucaa.ernet.in I N D I A Phone 91-212-336415/16/17 =============================================================================== From astroweb-request Tue Jul 12 09:06:12 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA15931; Tue, 12 Jul 94 09:06:12 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 09:05:44 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407121305.AA03601@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr In-Reply-To: <9407120818.AA21827@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> (egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr) Subject: Re: update the astroweb Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU w.r.t. and when I save the html file locally, I cannot use my familiar tools (... vi and other Unix tools) because the lines are too long... ****************************************************** I use emacs which does the line wrap automagicly. Looking at "UNIX in a Nutshell", I wonder if set wrapmargin=60 might solve your problem. ****************************************************** w.r.t. Could Bob also confirm the status of the use of <, > and & in this file ? ****************************************************** These characters have to be escaped in order to use HTML for file transfer. Sorry. ****************************************************** w.r.t. So, my suggestion: Would it be possible to apply a more convenient format to the html master file (i.e. with short lines, and a presentation close enough to what will apeear on the MOSAIC page). ****************************************************** The above fix may solve your problem. One of my next things to do is to implement the 'MODIFY a single resource' feature. ****************************************************** From astroweb-request Tue Jul 12 16:19:17 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16392; Tue, 12 Jul 94 16:19:17 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 16:19:11 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407122019.AA03787@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: amk@iucaa.ernet.in In-Reply-To: <9407120942.AA25013@iucaa> (amk@iucaa.ernet.in) Subject: Re: WWW server in India Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I have added The Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCAA) home page. to the AstroWeb database. Thanks for the information. Bob From astroweb-request Tue Jul 12 17:07:51 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA16494; Tue, 12 Jul 94 17:07:51 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 17:07:44 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407122107.AA03826@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: Miller@stsci.edu, astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: A potential ADASS abstract - please comment Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU \title{ Distributed Astronomical Data Archives - DADA } \author{ Robert E. Jackson } \affil{ Computer Sciences Corporation, Space Telescope Science Institute } \begin{abstract} ADS, ESIS, etc., use a centralized database for querying multiple datasets. Individual dataset catalogs are converted to a standard representation and added to the centralized database. This centralized database is a single point of failure and CPU cycle contention. A Distributed Astronomical Data Archive (DADA) would use the Hyper Text Transfer Protocol to allow both the datasets and the dataset catalogs to remain at the sites originating the data. A standard query protocol mimicing HTML forms would allow querying of multiple sites and uniform presentation of the results. Public domain software could be used and would allow each observatory to make their datasets available with complete local control over the access and indexing. DADA has the potential for making astronomical datasets available, discoverable, and as easy to serve as by WWW or WAIS. From astroweb-request Thu Jul 14 07:16:09 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20954; Thu, 14 Jul 94 07:16:09 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407141116.AA07581@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr, astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: ADASS'94 AstroWeb paper Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 13:16:15 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, I believe that all members of the AstroWeb Consortium should be co-authors of this paper. I have no objection with you being first author. To my knowledge Fionn (and possibly Hans-Martin) will also attend ADASS'94. Quite possibly Don will also be there. Andre. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Thu Jul 14 10:03:23 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21101; Thu, 14 Jul 94 10:03:23 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407141403.AA09186@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Smile Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 16:03:25 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Found at Durham site: A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Thu Jul 14 11:31:16 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA21312; Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:31:16 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 11:31:10 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407141531.AA16378@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Did I get everyone's name and institution right? Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU \title{ Astroweb - Internet Resources for Astronomers } \author{ Robert E. Jackson } \affil{ Computer Sciences Corporation, Space Telescope Science Institute} \author{ Hans-Martin Adorf } \affil{ Space Telescope - European Coordinating Facility } \author{ Daniel Egret } \affil{ Strasbourg Astronomical Data Center } \author{ Andre Heck } \affil{Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory} \author{ Anton Koekemoer } \affil{ Mount Stromlo and Siding Spring Observatories } \author{ Fionn Murtagh } \affil{ Space Telescope - European Coordinating Facility } \author{ Don Wells } \affil{ National Radio Astronomy Observatory } \begin{abstract} AstroWeb is a WWW interface to a collection of Internet accessible resources aimed at the astronomical community. The goal of AstroWeb is to be the most complete, up to date, and useful listing of astronomical resources available anywhere. It consolidates the separate resource listings previously maintained by the consortium members in the United States (STScI and NRAO), France (CDS), Germany (STECF), and Australia (MSSSO). The collection currently contains a total of 886 World Wide Web, Gopher, Wide Area Information System, Telnet, and Anonymous FTP resources and it is still growing. AstroWeb provides the additional value-added services: Categorization of each resource; Descriptive paragraphs for some resources; Searchable index of all resource information; 3x daily search for 'dead' or 'unreliable' resources; From astroweb-request Mon Jul 18 08:55:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11689; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:55:30 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407181254.AA07155@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 14:55:34 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: WWW Home Page for Usenet's sci.astro.research Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU from the SAR Moderator: The WWW Home Page for Usenet's sci.astro.research is now available at http://xanth.msfc.nasa.gov/xray/sar.html The page contains links to the SAR archive. Check it out, and if you have any problems send mail to: astres-request@pecos.msfc.nasa.gov SAR Moderator From astroweb-request Mon Jul 18 08:57:11 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11708; Mon, 18 Jul 94 08:57:11 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407181255.AA07164@ns3.hq.eso.org> X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 14:56:34 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: ICARUS on the web Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Icarus, the International Journal of Solar System Studies, is pleased to announce its entry to the World Wide Web: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/Icarus/Icarus.html Of primary interest to researchers is the list of papers submitted to Icarus, similar to the Astrophysical Journal's "yellow pages." We plan on updating this list every 4-6 weeks. This server also contains information for authors planning to submit papers to Icarus and subscription information. -- | e-mail: lazio@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu T. Joseph W. Lazio | phone: (607) 255-6420 | ICBM: 42 deg. 20' 08" N 76 deg. 28' 48" W Cornell knows I exist?!? | STOP RAPE From dwells Wed Jul 20 11:07:14 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20627; Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:07:14 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 11:07:12 EDT From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9407201507.AA20621@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Subject: CATEGORY planetary ? Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I think that we need to add 'planetary' to the list of codes. Comments? -Don From astroweb-request Fri Jul 22 22:45:17 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA29093; Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:45:17 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:45:12 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407230245.AA17600@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: search-master is broken Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The STScI httpd server is moving to a new machine. The search-master facility is broken. Other things on stsci.edu are probably not being updated. The stuff on lor.stsci.edu is still working though. Will fix it on Monday or as soon as I can. Bob From astroweb-request Sun Jul 24 03:13:22 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA01260; Sun, 24 Jul 94 03:13:22 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9407240713.AA27912@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Astroweb paper for Astron. Astrophys. Suppl. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 94 09:13:48 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The galley proofs for this paper have just arrived and have to be returned immediately. I'll take care of that. I assume we do not need reprints for this 1 1/2 page paper (we can always photocopy it). Andre. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Mon Jul 25 08:32:44 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA05800; Mon, 25 Jul 94 08:32:44 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 08:32:39 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9407251232.AA20823@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: false alarm Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU I apologize for the false alarm. The following URL's still work. http://stsci.edu/net-resources.html http://stsci.edu/search-master.html Bob From astroweb-request Thu Jul 28 03:33:48 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA03765; Thu, 28 Jul 94 03:33:48 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 09:33:58 +0200 From: holl@ogyalla.konkoly.hu (Andras Holl) To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <9407280733.AA06286@ogyalla.konkoly.hu> X-Envelope-To: astroweb@nrao.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: New astronomical WWW (Mosaic) server Dear Colleague, We have just installed our WWW (Mosaic) server at Konkoly Observatory, Budapest, Hungary. Please, test it, and include to the list of Astronomical Internet resources maintained at your site. The URL is: http://ogyalla.konkoly.hu Thank you! Andras Holl From www_server Thu Jul 28 17:45:21 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA06918; Thu, 28 Jul 94 17:45:21 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 17:45:18 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9407282145.AA06909@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, pfouque@eso.org Subject: personal anchor record Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: FOUQUE Pascal @ denis_nrtu.ls.eso.org [134.171.125.1] Please note that the URL address was incomplete. The correct address is: http://denisexg.obspm.fr/people/fouque.html Thanks for correcting. Sincerely, Pascal Fouque From www_server Sat Jul 30 03:01:52 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA11747; Sat, 30 Jul 94 03:01:52 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 03:01:48 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9407300701.AA11738@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, ingram@astro.washington.edu Subject: Preprint list Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Doug Ingram @ bluemoon.astro.washington.edu [128.95.24.112] Hi, I thought your preprint list was excellent, but I found a few sites that were not present in your list, namely: http://slacvm.slac.stanford.edu/FIND/spires.html http://sunspot.noao.edu/Library/preprints http://euclid.tp.ph.ic.ac.uk/Papers http://nastol.astro.lu.se/Html/preprints.html There are probably several more out there available via search engines such as the WebCrawler, etc. Lots of small research groups and observatories putting out preprints. Do you intend to have an exhaustive list of such places? Anyway, it is a valuable service as is. Nice job! Doug Ingram From astroweb-request Sat Jul 30 09:51:48 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13097; Sat, 30 Jul 94 09:51:48 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 23:51:34 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9407301351.AA10574@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: standardizing AstroWeb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, It seems that the general community is still rather unclear about the function of AstroWeb as a specific database - I've noticed this particularly with the more recent sites. AstroWeb is potentially an extremely valuable place to advertise astronomical research and information; however this seems to be appreciated by only a small fraction of the 'web-literate' astronomical community (examine for example the number of personal web pages at various research groups, which would appear to be running into the thousands). It is clearly not feasible for us to hunt around for new resources and add them as we find them (although this is also still one way of adding resources to the list); by far the major input should be from the people who are creating the new resources. Let me suggest that one step towards a more unified approach is to have a standard AstroWeb page at all of our sites. This should at least reduce the current uncertainties caused in part by the various links to our different pages, and also hopefully increase the general level of awareness of the potential of AstroWeb. As a starting point, I've made up an example of such a page; it is at: http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html (I've renamed my old astronomy.html to astronomy-categories.html). Please take a look at it. I studied all of our current top-level pages and tried to produce something which is a reasonable compromise. My suggestion is that we all replace our current 'official' top-level AstroWeb pages with such a standard page (but that we keep these top-level URLs the same since they are now referenced everywhere in the world). For MSSSO, NRAO, ST-ECF and STScI this would then involve a slight renaming of the files where we currently present the actual resources; in the new page I've set up I assume that they would be renamed as follows (mainly by way of example): MSSSO: astronomy.html --> astronomy-categories.html NRAO: astronomy.html --> astronomy-categories.html ST-ECF: astro-resources.html --> astro-resources-categories.html Please do not think of this page as a final version; its purpose is mainly to attempt to stimulate some discussion and suggestions for improvements. (eg: do we keep the van Gogh logo or advertise globally for a new one?..) For my part, I feel that it is pretty important that we synchronise our top-level pages. If anyone has an idea for a modification to this example page, then feel free to just copy it, modify it and make it available for discussion. Looking forward to the comments.. cheers, - anton. From dwells Sun Jul 31 20:17:04 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18080; Sun, 31 Jul 94 20:17:04 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 20:17:01 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9408010017.AA18071@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: the 'personal' category [Re: standardizing AstroWeb] In-Reply-To: <9407301351.AA10574@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9407301351.AA10574@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear AstroWeb friends, anton koekemoer writes: > .. the number of personal web pages at various > research groups.. appear to be running into the thousands.. I agree. Whenever somebody in a group realizes the nature of our database, and its public exposure, it appears that they often talk a large number of their colleagues into registering with AstroWeb. This makes me suspect that there must be many more sites, with many more people, who have not yet registered. One of my motivations for improving our input forms is that when we advertise availability of the 'personal' category of AstroWeb, we are likely to be flooded with input! I want us to be ready for that. I expect that our 'personal' category could have 1000+ records within six months if we started advertising. At that level it would begin to be competitive with the best Email address services on the net, and our information content would be superior to mere lists of addresses. Our 'personal' records are only one line (this style came from Andre's list of personal URLs). Yesterday, when I was revising some of the records to make them conform to our style, it occurred to me that maybe we should permit people to have a one line description text associated with their name. I allowed Pat Murphy's record to to continue to have some text because I have not decided how I want to handle his case. -Don From dwells Sun Jul 31 20:47:21 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18108; Sun, 31 Jul 94 20:47:21 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 20:47:18 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9408010047.AA18099@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: standardizing AstroWeb In-Reply-To: <9407301351.AA10574@merlin.anu.edu.au> References: <9407301351.AA10574@merlin.anu.edu.au> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear AstroWeb friends, anton koekemoer writes: > Let me suggest that one step towards a more unified approach is to have a > standard AstroWeb page at all of our sites. This should at least reduce the > current uncertainties caused in part by the various links to our different > pages, and also hopefully increase the general level of awareness of the > potential of AstroWeb. I agree with your general objective and agree that more standardization would tend to help achieve that objective, but I also believe that some of the diversity of styles is a good thing. We should discuss the pros and cons of standardization; there is no hurry. If the consensus favors more standardization, I will go along. > http://meteor.anu.edu.au/anton/astronomy.html > ... My suggestion is that we all > replace our current 'official' top-level AstroWeb pages with such a standard > page.. One basic strategy which I have used is to minimize the number of links which the user must click in order to find their target category. My top-level page is a table-of-contents. I wish that the whole table could fit into the first window that the user sees, but that just won't work! Therefore, I make a judgement call about which categories get the most valuable space, at the beginning. I decided that 'Telescopes' are most important. I allowed a few lines for AstroWeb information, and made those lines be dense with useful links. I would be happy to use the same introductory text as everybody else, but I would be reluctant to put the table-of-contents on a subordinate page. I do think that it would be a good thing for us to standardize our lines. I am prepared to change to your title, or to any other title which represents the consensus of the Consortium members. > ..do we keep the van Gogh logo or advertise globally for a new one?.. I like that image, because I feel that it expresses the grand scale of astronomy in space and time, its panchromatic character, plus a certain element of mystery. If you also like the picture and want to use it for your pages, please do so! If you prefer some other image, tell us about it; I may change my mind. In addition to a picture, we might want to consider constructing an AstroWeb graphic logo, a trademark... -Don From astroweb-request Sun Jul 31 21:28:56 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA18142; Sun, 31 Jul 94 21:28:56 EDT Return-Path: <anton@mso.anu.edu.au> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 94 11:27:16 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9408010127.AA04385@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: standardizing AstroWeb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, Don writes: > I agree with your general objective and agree that more > standardization would tend to help achieve that objective, but I also > believe that some of the diversity of styles is a good thing. We > should discuss the pros and cons of standardization; there is no > hurry. If the consensus favors more standardization, I will go along. yes i also like the current diversity, and would like to keep our separate category-sorted lists going (unless someone feels strongly that some of them should be merged). That is part of the usefulness of AstroWeb, in that it caters for a wide variety of tastes and is therefore likely to be useful to just about everybody. So i have references to all of them on this example homepage. ... > One basic strategy which I have used is to minimize the number of > links which the user must click in order to find their target > category. My top-level page is a table-of-contents... that's certainly a drawback of having a single homepage summarizing pointers to our different presentations. The advantage on the other hand is simply that of summarizing them all on one page, giving something of a better perspective on how they all relate together. For example, starting off at some of the references to our pages on the net, it would take several key-clicks to arrive at a searchable or protocol-sorted version. This would not be the case if these references instead landed one at a standard homepage of this kind. I see no clear-cut advantage of one approach over the other, except by general consensus. So i'd also be happy to go with whatever the majority opinion is. cheers, - anton. > PS > .... In addition to a picture, we > might want to consider constructing an AstroWeb graphic logo, a > trademark... i also like the van Gogh picture and am happy to keep it, while adding a second logo to serve more as an identification trademark (something which can be miniaturized and incorporated with links to our AstroWeb pages) ./