From www_server Fri Sep 2 07:09:49 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA13084; Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:09:49 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 07:09:42 EDT From: www_server@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9409021109.AA13075@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Stefan.Kimeswenger@uibk.ac.at, astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: change of server Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Message entered by: Stefan Kimeswenger @ ast2.uibk.ac.at [138.232.69.2] please change our server name: Universitaet Innsbruck - Institut fuer Astronomie (without the german special characters - they do not work on many X11 servers) to http://ast7.uibk.ac.at/ The Innsbruck - Galactic PNe data base is ketp on the ast2 ! Thanks in advance Stefan Kimeswenger From astroweb-request Sat Sep 3 02:00:29 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14446; Sat, 3 Sep 94 02:00:29 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9409030601.AA22683@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: Stefan.Kimeswenger@uibk.ac.at Cc: heck@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr, astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Special characters Date: Sat, 03 Sep 94 08:01:27 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The problem raised about special characters should essentially result from an improper configuration of the terminals. To give full satisfaction to the users, I am myself maintaining two versions of the anchors as far as possible: one with the proper HTML coding, and one with the `basic ascii-ed' coding. This is particularly important for names of individuals in StarHeads. This question will become more acute as we shall increasingly use HTML+ allowing tabulation and additional special character coding - a movement we should follow I believe. If we had always been aiming at the bottom line user, we would still be working on line-by-line terminals ... Best, Andre. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prof. Andre HECK -+- * Phone (direct) +33-88.35.82.22 Observatoire Astronomique * Phone (Secretary) +33-88.35.82.18 11, rue de l'Universite -+- * Fax (direct/private) +33-88.49.12.55 F-67000 Strasbourg * -+- Fax (Secretary) +33-88.25.01.60 France -+- * * Numeris (private) +33-88.48.20.60 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ URL: http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~heck ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Mon Sep 12 12:38:47 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA15145; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:38:47 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:38:43 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409121638.AA26228@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Mosaic WWW 94 Conference Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Chicago, Illinois October 18-20 I will be unable to attend as planned. If one of "you" is attending, would you be willing to put up my Poster Paper? Bob From astroweb-request Mon Sep 12 12:42:04 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA15165; Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:42:04 EDT Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:41:59 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409121641.AA26234@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: AstroWeb Validation question Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Currently I validate each of the AstroWeb resource URL's and any URL's contained in the Description. Should I continue to validate the Description URL's or should I only validate the top level URL? There seems to be more 'dead' URL's in the Descriptions and I would like to minimize the dead count. Bob From astroweb-request Wed Sep 14 08:52:01 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20002; Wed, 14 Sep 94 08:52:01 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9409141253.AA14344@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: AstroWeb Validation question In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 12 Sep 94 12:41:59 EDT . Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:53:08 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, > Should I continue to validate the Description > URL's or should I only validate the top level URL? > There seems to be more 'dead' URL's in the Descriptions > and I would like to minimize the dead count. This demonstrates that while the "home pages" are stable enough, the hierarchies, directories and filenames below tend to change more rapidly. This makes sense. I would suggest concentrating the top level URLs -and avoiding, in the descriptions, pointers to individual documents that may change name or place (well easier to say than to do !). Daniel From astroweb-request Wed Sep 14 15:19:05 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20501; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:19:05 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:18:46 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409141918.AA04667@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: How do you Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU create local version of AstroWeb on your machine? FTP or WWW or ??? file copy Tcl or Perl or AWK or ??? file reformat Does anyone use my 'reformat-master' tool? Bob From astroweb-request Wed Sep 14 15:35:43 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20520; Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:35:43 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:35:37 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409141935.AA04907@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: comments please Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Would you please comment on my Mosaic / WWW 94 paper http://anarky.stsci.edu/astrowebtools.html Thanks. Bob From dwells Wed Sep 14 23:04:45 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA20829; Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:04:45 EDT Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 23:04:41 EDT From: dwells@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9409150304.AA20820@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: How do you In-Reply-To: <9409141918.AA04667@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> References: <9409141918.AA04667@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob Jackson writes: > create local version of AstroWeb on your machine? > FTP or WWW or ??? file copy ^^^ I use the 'lynx' Web client, in a shell script, to read your newmaster.html version. > Tcl or Perl or AWK or ??? file reformat ^^^ I use my old AWK toolset, with very few changes from the procedures which I developed in February-March One special thing that I do is to compare newmaster to the last version I fetched, and I skip the update if there is no change. My daemon runs automatically, at 9h GMT every day. It sends me a concise report by Email. The report includes the comments from the logfile for any new changes. -Don From astroweb-request Thu Sep 15 07:30:34 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA22411; Thu, 15 Sep 94 07:30:34 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 21:30:23 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9409151130.AA24651@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: How do you Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob writes: > create local version of AstroWeb on your machine? > > FTP or WWW or ??? file copy > > Tcl or Perl or AWK or ??? file reformat I use a set of awk scripts derived from those that Don wrote; the main changes have only been to those scripts which actually do the formatting. I made most of the changes to these in around May; since then they've remained essentially the same. I fetch newmaster.html once a day (at 03:00 UT) using tcl scripts derived from those that Bob and Daniel use. If changes have occurred then my AstroWeb database is re-made (at 09:30 UT). [The times are mainly derived from load considerations, both internet and local computing.] A number of other files are also fetched (inp_incoming.html, "what's new with NCSA mosaic" etc) - any changes are put into a single directory (and an email is automatically sent to me) so I just check this directory to find out what the changes are. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Thu Sep 15 12:58:18 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA22826; Thu, 15 Sep 94 12:58:18 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9409151659.AA08493@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: How do you create a local version... In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 14 Sep 94 15:18:46 EDT . Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 18:59:35 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, I have customized your www-tools (tcl) in order to fetch the files from NRAO, MSSSO, STScI, and ST-ECF (by the way, that would be nice that everybody uses the AstroWeb VanGogh logo on his astroweb page, as discussed before!). I fetch these files every morning (at 5:47 European time). I do not use reformat-master. I am presently considering to use a customized version of it to help updating our side. Your "AstroWeb Tools" paper is fine. I have no special comments. All the best, Daniel From astroweb-request Fri Sep 16 04:19:22 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA23607; Fri, 16 Sep 94 04:19:22 EDT Return-Path: From: fmurtagh@eso.org Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 10:19:24 +0200 Message-Id: <9409160819.AA17645@st2.hq.eso.org> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: 'Network Resources for Astronomy', paper in press in PASP Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU The above paper (Andernach, Hanisch, Murtagh) is available in hypertext - accessible through the 'Information Resources in Astronomy' area on the top page of the ESO server. What do you think of WAISindexing this, and an AstroWeb resources list, and the Star*s databases, simultaneously, to produce a 'master entry point' for free-text searching of astronomical resources? A line-mode search tool (using waisq or whatever) could also be customized, to economize on time when doing searches. It may be necessary, though, to see how such information can better be cross-correlated first. --Fionn From astroweb-request Fri Sep 16 09:27:30 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25137; Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:27:30 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:27:24 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409161327.AA14725@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: fmurtagh@eso.org In-Reply-To: <9409160819.AA17645@st2.hq.eso.org> (fmurtagh@eso.org) Subject: Re: 'Network Resources for Astronomy', paper in press in PASP Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Unfortunately many or all of the resources in the document do not include hypertext links to the resource. The document betrays its LaTeX roots and does not exploit the some of the latex2html features. Ideally the textual information in the document should be added to the AstroWeb database in the Description field. Or am I being too harsh. Bob From astroweb-request Fri Sep 16 11:05:28 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25306; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:05:28 EDT Return-Path: Message-Id: <9409161451.AA18440@st2.hq.eso.org> To: jackson@stsci.edu Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Network Resources for Astronomy', paper in press in PASP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Sep 94 09:27:24 EDT." <9409161327.AA14725@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 16:51:18 +0200 From: Fionn Murtagh Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Bob, I agree that telnet and ftp links should be made 'hot' (issue raised a few hours ago by Bob Hanisch) and I intend to do so when I can. What else should have hypertext links (URLs are generally not available in this text) and what are the other latex2html features which should be used? I felt that one thing would be to cross-correlate the AstroWeb list with this document, e.g. by associating zero, one or more AstroWeb entries with each paragraph of the PASP paper, and listing them in a clickable form after this appropriate paragraph. (I looked at associations among HST proposals some months ago, in this general way, using lq, so I think it is quite feasible. Text descriptions in AstroWeb would be used.) Then WAISindex the result. Let's discuss at ADASS... Fionn From astroweb-request Fri Sep 16 11:44:37 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA25368; Fri, 16 Sep 94 11:44:37 EDT Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 94 17:45:57 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9409161545.AA25147@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: 'Network Resources for Astronomy', paper in press in PASP Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU About Fionn's last mail message: > I felt that one thing would be to cross-correlate the AstroWeb list with this > document, e.g. by associating zero, one or more AstroWeb entries with each > paragraph of the PASP paper, and listing them in a clickable form after this > appropriate paragraph. ... Well, think also about the problem of updating the information (the paragraphs of the PASP paper will be somewhat outdated after some time). Not a trivial stuff to maintain ! Daniel From astroweb-request Thu Sep 22 08:49:57 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA14069; Thu, 22 Sep 94 08:49:57 EDT Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 08:49:52 EDT From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9409221249.AA12849@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: My ADASS talks Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU http://anarky.stsci.edu/ astroweb.ps indexing.ps electronicpub.ps Comments are welcome. Bob From astroweb-request Sat Sep 24 06:56:24 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA19969; Sat, 24 Sep 94 06:56:24 EDT Return-Path: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 20:56:06 EST From: anton@mso.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9409241056.AA29316@merlin.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: astroweb comes of age.. Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Dear friends, The number of records in AstroWeb now exceeds 1000 (1003 to be exact..) - this occurred today after I added the last few days' worth of entries from the input file inp_incoming.html Combining this with the fact that in 2 weeks' time (6 oct) will be the 6 month "anniversary" of its public announcement, might it be cause for something special? - such as Daniel's idea from some time ago of announcing a logo contest? Just a thought.. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Tue Sep 27 04:31:04 1994 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-DLB/1.5) id AA27677; Tue, 27 Sep 94 04:31:04 EDT Return-Path: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:32:37 +0100 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr (D. egret) Message-Id: <9409270832.AA24791@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Subject: ESIS Sender: astroweb-request@fits.CV.NRAO.EDU Hi there ! I hope that Paolo Giommi will not discover that all the ESIS anchors have become "INACTIVE?" in AstroWeb ! That might cause him a heart attack! By the way, these links are working OK for me, at least today ! Have a nice ADASS meeting ! Daniel