From astroweb-request Wed Mar 1 04:41:40 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA28933; Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:41:40 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 10:41:32 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: Bo Frese Rasmussen (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: Astro-2 LIVE on WWW Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu T-Minus 0 Days 21 Hours 53 Minutes and Counting!! ------------------- Explore the Universe with NASA's Astro-2 ( http://astro-2.msfc.nasa.gov/ ) Astro-2 is a high-tech observatory flying for 16 days in the payload bay of the Space Shuttle Endeavour during the STS-67 mission. The Astro-2 instruments allow astronomers to view stars, galaxies, planets and quasars in ultraviolet light, which is invisible to our eye. Astronomers from around the country and the world expect to make many new discoveries about the cosmos during the Astro-2 mission. These WWW pages will allow you to learn more about the Astro-2 experiments, share in the discoveries made by astronomers, and, for the first time, participate in a Shuttle mission AS IT'S HAPPENING ! ------------------- \\\\\// Cheers | | Bo (.) (.) ==========oOO==(_)==OOo===================================================== Bo Frese Rasmussen E-Mail: bfrasmus@eso.org ESO - EUROPEAN SOUTHERN OBSERVATORY Phone : +49 89 320 06 365 Space Telescope - European Coordinating Facility Fax : +49 89 320 06 480 ___ ============( )-___======================================================= \ ( ( ) \_) ) / URL: http://arch-http.hq.eso.org/bfrasmus/ (_/ From astroweb-request Thu Mar 2 10:01:30 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA02639; Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:01:30 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:01:13 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: German Umlaute Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Dear friends, I have been looking at the German entries of our database and noted two things: 1. AstroWeb is amazingly incomplete w.r. to German astronomical institutes. 2. The German Umlaute are sometimes spelled out explicitely (ae, oe, ue), sometimes printed directly (how I do not know since my internatioal keyboard at the Sun does not show them; I can only copy thme from existing documents), sometimes given in HTML form, and sometimes missing altogether. In order to address point 1 I am looking at various German sites who have assembled lists of German astronomical sites and try to collect new URLs. However its a tedious work, since the German networks are so slow. In order to address point 2 I believe that someone (presumably me) inthe not too distant future will have to got through the whole database and homogenize the entries. The question is how to encode the Umlaute. Any suggestions are welcome. Cheers Hans-Martin From dwells Thu Mar 2 10:34:37 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA02761; Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:34:37 EST Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:34:22 EST From: dwells@fits.cv.nrao.edu (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503021534.AA02750@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: German Umlaute In-Reply-To: References: Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu "HA" == Hans-Martin Adorf writes: HA> .. The question is how to encode the Umlaute. Any HA> suggestions are welcome. I recommend using HTML codes. See Special Characters in HTML http://www.utirc.utoronto.ca/HTMLdocs/NewHTML/entities.html which contains a link to the table ISO 8859 (Latin-1) Characters List http://www.utirc.utoronto.ca/HTMLdocs/NewHTML/iso_table.html -Don From astroweb-request Thu Mar 2 11:30:52 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA03090; Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:30:52 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503021625.AA27476@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu Cc: heck@cdsxba.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Umlaut et al. Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 17:25:26 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Wrt to the question raised by Hans-Martin on umlauts, I went through this before for my databases and related products. Here is the policy adopted. The problem is more general than for umlauts. It concerns any accentuated or special character (such as a with cedilla in Polish, and so on). I have currently tables of about ninety special characters coded in such a way that they can be translated into ascii, TeX or HTML(+). The list regularly grows longer as TeX allows producing all kinds of characters (including sanscript, and so on). For the databases StarWorlds and StarBits, the output is currently in plain ascii (we intend to move to HTML(+) in the future), so the umlauted characters are translated in the usual way: ae, ue, Ae, Ue, etc. Everyone can understand the output of these databases. You have to expect that most people querying the databases are a bit lost with our special characters, and some of the customers have not even the ability to translate or display properly HTML(+) codings. For the database StarHeads, some people with accentuated characters in their name or who know HTML(+) well enough are able to code the queried names properly. The other ones will not do it. Therefore I offer the two possibilities. Thus the outgoing director of Strasbourg Observatory is appearing in the database twice: once as CREZE and the other one as CRÉZÉ - a real enjoyment ... As you could understand from the above, the paper versions StarGuides and StarBriefs are produced with the TeX coding. Some customers received electronic subsets coded either in TeX or in ascii. A bit long to explain, but very simple in principle. AH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From astroweb-request Thu Mar 2 17:00:06 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA03963; Thu, 2 Mar 95 17:00:06 EST Return-Path: <@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca:astlibr@astro.utoronto.ca> From: Library Cummins Diamond To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: WWW entry Message-Id: <95Mar2.170255est.10604@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:02:50 -0500 Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu I added our departmental homepage, via the form, 5 weeks ago and I am surprised to see that it is still not on ASTROWEB. Is that a typical delay? Marlene Cummins U of Toronto Astronomy Library library@astro.utoronto.ca From dwells Fri Mar 3 09:23:33 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA00413; Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:23:33 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 09:23:21 EST From: dwells@fits.cv.nrao.edu (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503031423.AA00400@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Library Cummins Diamond Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: WWW entry In-Reply-To: <95Mar2.170255est.10604@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca> References: <95Mar2.170255est.10604@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu "LCD" == Library Cummins Diamond writes: LCD> I added our departmental homepage, via the form, 5 weeks ago and I am LCD> surprised to see that it is still not on ASTROWEB. Is that a typical delay? LCD> Marlene Cummins LCD> U of Toronto Astronomy Library LCD> library@astro.utoronto.ca Dear Marlene, I am mystified! I can find no trace of your resource record, and I do not remember seeing it. I did the last big database update on 2/21, and it included URL http://ddo.astro.utoronto.ca/cepheids.html, but not a URL for your library. There were several records with missing URLs, but yours is not among them. I have even searched backup copies of my temporary work files, thinking that I might have inadvertently deleted your record. I recent times the update operations have been slow because I am distracted by work on the Green Bank Telescope... I regret the inconvenience. Please try again, and verify that your record appears at the end of the page of incoming records. It is about time for me to transfer the backlog of incoming records to the master database.... Regards, Don Wells -- Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA From dwells Fri Mar 3 12:07:01 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA00663; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:07:01 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:06:58 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503031706.AA00657@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Library Cummins Diamond , astroweb Subject: Re: WWW entry In-Reply-To: <95Mar3.113842est.10590@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca> References: <95Mar3.113842est.10590@lepus.astro.utoronto.ca> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu "LCD" == Library Cummins Diamond writes: LCD> ..now I see the problem.. LCD> "I have just entered a record to the ASTROWEB server.. LCD> When one is finished inputting, it is not clear how to send the LCD> data- there is no menu item for that.." LCD> Now.. I see that one has to click on "review the record".. LCD> ..that menu description should be changed to "review and send".. I agree, and I have made the change to the HTML form. Thanks for your help. Your records are in the "incoming" page, and I will get to them "real soon now". Regards, Don -- Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA From astroweb-request Wed Mar 8 06:24:57 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA20259; Wed, 8 Mar 95 06:24:57 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:24:50 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Europe without e-mail Cc: cmadsen@eso.org, rwest@eso.org Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Brussels (cz) The summit of leading industrial nations end of february has revealed: Concerning electronic mail most European states are developing countries. The result of a mail blitz-survey by Brussel-based correspondents of the Washington Post on occasion of the G7-summit was particularly annoying for the Western European state leaders: no e-mail connection for the governments in London, Madrid, Paris, Rome, and Berlin/Bonn. However Helsinki, Warshaw and Moscow are online, as are the Baltic states. From astroweb-request Wed Mar 8 06:24:53 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA20250; Wed, 8 Mar 95 06:24:53 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:24:25 +0100 To: ecf@eso.org From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: WWW: CERN goes - INRIA comes Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Paris (cz) The development of the World Wide Web will become the responsibility of Inria, the national French institute for basic and applied research in information technology. [...] From astroweb-request Wed Mar 8 07:55:32 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA20353; Wed, 8 Mar 95 07:55:32 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 13:55:01 +0100 To: ecf@eso.org, astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: http://www.germany.net Cc: cmadsen@eso.org, rwest@eso.org Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Free access to info-highway --------------------------- Until the end of this year Frankfurt-based Sysnet GmbH will be investing 2 million DM into infrastructure for accessing the Internet. End of March 30 ISDN and 30 Modem points of access will be offered in tFrankfurt, Berlin, Munich and the Rhein-Ruhr area. Apart from the usual telephone charges access to network services will be free. Services will include FTP, Archie, and WWW, e-mail and News. The services shall be financed by commercial advertisements. More information via http://www.germany.net/ Dial in at 069-386172 and login as infobahn. ------------------------------------- Translated from Computer Zeitung (cz) -hma From astroweb-request Thu Mar 9 10:49:10 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA24656; Thu, 9 Mar 95 10:49:10 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:50:41 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: TIME magazine Cc: ralbrech@eso.org (Rudi Albrecht), adorf@ecolink.trans.net Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Dear colleagues, if you want to have a preview of what electronic publishing might mean, have a look at the daily news of the TIME magazine at http://www.timeinc.com/time/daily/time/latest.html For each article they offer to search for past articles on the same topic. One can of couser also search for anything else. Looks great to me. Let your imagination play what it could mean for astronomy. Cheers Hans-Martin From astroweb-request Mon Mar 13 07:16:32 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09539; Mon, 13 Mar 95 07:16:32 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:17:23 +0200 (CET) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Cc: JDP@vilspa.esa.es Message-Id: <950313131723.c55f@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Dear colleages, Sorry for this long e-mail. For your information on the merging of AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata, I am in contact with Sergio Paoli to complete the installation of the AstroWeb procedures that we are using at Villafranca. It will take a few days to finish it. The preliminary analysis of the URLs in VL/LaPlata gives the following results: URLs Description ---- --------------------------------------------------------------- 1024 VL/LaPlata (files indicated below). Category 'Conferences' is not included in this list. 1527 AstroWeb (newmaster.html file). Includes _all_ URLs in the file not only the 'resource records'. 492 (unique) URLs in VL/LaPlata not included in Astroweb. ---- --------------------------------------------------------------- The large number of URLs in VL/LaPlata not included in AstroWeb does not mean that the _information_ is not accessible from AstroWeb. In fact the actual number of _new_ URLs to be added will be around 150-200, due to: - different (aliased) names for the same internet number, - some URLs include the index (html) file explicitly, in some other cases it is defaulted, - in some cases the information is defined in more detail, including several subdirectory levels. The addition of these new URLs has to be done by hand, in order to avoid redundancy and to have a consistent definition of the information. To start this activity, I have identified the number of URLs per category in VL/LaPlata that has to be matched with AstroWeb categories. New URLs Filename in VL/LaPlata Proposed AstroWeb category -------- ------------------------------------- -------------------------- 44 databases.html Data. Archive centers 6 departments-and-groups-america.html Organizations. Departments 0 departments-and-groups-asia.html " 1 departments-and-groups-australia.html " 5 departments-and-groups-canada.html " 35 departments-and-groups-europe.html " 30 departments-and-groups-usa.html " 13 educational.html Educational(*) 13 libraries.html Publications. Biblio-services 22 mailinglists.html People. Mailing lists 6 miscellaneous.html History of Astronomy(*) 2 nasa.html Organizations. Space Agencies 32 newsgroups.html People. Newsgroups 119 observatories.html (**) 94 other-lists.html Various lists of Astronomy 71 publications.html Publications 12 software.html Software. Astronomy SW servers 505 total (Some URLs are included in two categories) ------- -------------------------------------- ----------------------- (*) It could be interesting to include a new category with two main entries: Educational and History of Astronomy. (**) These URLs should be distributed into at least three categories: - Observations. Telescopes - Data. Astronomy Information Systems - Research Areas. Now the questions to the group: 1. What do you think about adding Educational and History of Astronomy as new categories? 2. Do we share the effort of including new URL's? I could distribute the files above (only new URLs) to the people. If we leave Sergio to work on his implementation, then : 505/8 ~ 63 URLs per member is not a terrible task. 3. Which update procedure do you propose? We could generate a file in a format like the newmaster.html file. Each URL should be checked to identify if an alias is already available. These files could be reviewed (by Bob ?) to check consistency and be included into the AstroWeb database. What do you think? This is all for the moment. Best regards, Daniel Ponz P.S.: Sergio, is there any other relevant file with URLs? I was assuming that the file 'conferences.html' (?) will be obsolete in the near future. From astroweb-request Mon Mar 13 08:02:09 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09604; Mon, 13 Mar 95 08:02:09 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503131300.AA23245@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:17:23 +0200 (CET) . Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 14:00:27 +0100 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Daniel, > 1. What do you think about adding Educational and History of Astronomy as > new categories? This is OK with me. > 2. Do we share the effort of including new URL's? I could distribute the > files above (only new URLs) to the people. If we leave Sergio to work > on his implementation, then : 505/8 ~ 63 URLs per member is not a > terrible task. I can contribute to this effort. I propose to make the "Databases and Archives" category. > 3. Which update procedure do you propose? We could generate a file in a > format like the newmaster.html file. Each URL should be checked to > identify if an alias is already available. Yes. This seems to me a good and realistic approach. Daniel Egret From astroweb-request Mon Mar 13 13:05:30 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA10072; Mon, 13 Mar 95 13:05:30 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503131804.AA26525@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> From: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio Paoli) Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata To: JDP@vilspa.esa.es (Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:04:36 SAT Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU In-Reply-To: <950313131723.c55f@vilspa.esa.es>; from "Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS" at Mar 13, 95 1:17 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Hi, Sorry per my silence, but I'm crazy with exams... > > Dear colleages, > > Sorry for this long e-mail. For your information on the merging of > AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata, I am in contact with Sergio Paoli to complete > the installation of the AstroWeb procedures that we are using at Villafranca. > It will take a few days to finish it. > > The preliminary analysis of the URLs in VL/LaPlata gives the following > results: > > URLs Description > ---- --------------------------------------------------------------- > 1024 VL/LaPlata (files indicated below). Category 'Conferences' is not > included in this list. > 1527 AstroWeb (newmaster.html file). Includes _all_ URLs in the file > not only the 'resource records'. > 492 (unique) URLs in VL/LaPlata not included in Astroweb. > ---- --------------------------------------------------------------- > > The large number of URLs in VL/LaPlata not included in AstroWeb does > not mean that the _information_ is not accessible from AstroWeb. In fact > the actual number of _new_ URLs to be added will be around 150-200, due to: > - different (aliased) names for the same internet number, > - some URLs include the index (html) file explicitly, in some other cases > it is defaulted, > - in some cases the information is defined in more detail, including > several subdirectory levels. > > The addition of these new URLs has to be done by hand, in order to avoid > redundancy and to have a consistent definition of the information. To start > this activity, I have identified the number of URLs per category in > VL/LaPlata that has to be matched with AstroWeb categories. > > > New URLs Filename in VL/LaPlata Proposed AstroWeb category > -------- ------------------------------------- -------------------------- > 44 databases.html Data. Archive centers > 6 departments-and-groups-america.html Organizations. Departments > 0 departments-and-groups-asia.html " > 1 departments-and-groups-australia.html " > 5 departments-and-groups-canada.html " > 35 departments-and-groups-europe.html " > 30 departments-and-groups-usa.html " > 13 educational.html Educational(*) > 13 libraries.html Publications. Biblio-services > 22 mailinglists.html People. Mailing lists > 6 miscellaneous.html History of Astronomy(*) > 2 nasa.html Organizations. Space Agencies > 32 newsgroups.html People. Newsgroups > 119 observatories.html (**) > 94 other-lists.html Various lists of Astronomy > 71 publications.html Publications > 12 software.html Software. Astronomy SW servers > > 505 total (Some URLs are included in two categories) > ------- -------------------------------------- ----------------------- > > (*) It could be interesting to include a new category with two main > entries: Educational and History of Astronomy. > > (**) These URLs should be distributed into at least three categories: > - Observations. Telescopes > - Data. Astronomy Information Systems > - Research Areas. Is possible split the telescopes category in subcategories, in a similar way to my telescopes page? > > Now the questions to the group: > 1. What do you think about adding Educational and History of Astronomy as > new categories? Only one point. In my miscellaneous category there are only one link to History of Astronomy subjet... the other links are really miscellaneous links! > 2. Do we share the effort of including new URL's? I could distribute the > files above (only new URLs) to the people. If we leave Sergio to work > on his implementation, then : 505/8 ~ 63 URLs per member is not a > terrible task. Please!, I'm absolutely busy with my exams in this time... > 3. Which update procedure do you propose? We could generate a file in a > format like the newmaster.html file. Each URL should be checked to > identify if an alias is already available. > These files could be reviewed (by Bob ?) to check consistency and > be included into the AstroWeb database. > > What do you think? > > This is all for the moment. Best regards, > Daniel Ponz > > P.S.: Sergio, is there any other relevant file with URLs? I was assuming > that the file 'conferences.html' (?) will be obsolete in the near future. It's true, but in my conferences page there are conferences indexes which are update regularly... Sergio ;-) -- +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Sergio A. Paoli : Paseo del Bosque s/n : : Department of Spectroscopy : (1900) La Plata : : Astronomical Observatory : Argentina : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Phones +54 21 21-7308 : : +54 21 3-8810 : : Fax +54 21 21-1761 : : e-mail: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar : : WWW: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ From dwells Mon Mar 13 15:55:42 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA10458; Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:55:42 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 15:55:37 EST From: dwells@fits.cv.nrao.edu (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503132055.AA10449@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata In-Reply-To: <9503131300.AA23245@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> References: <9503131300.AA23245@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu "e" == egret writes: >> 1. What do you think about adding Educational and History of Astronomy as >> new categories? e> This is OK with me. I agree. I append a user request for this. e> I can contribute to this effort. e> I propose to make the "Databases and Archives" category. I will do my part. In particular, I should do the radio telescopes. >> 3. Which update procedure do you propose? We could generate a file in a >> format like the newmaster.html file. Each URL should be checked to >> identify if an alias is already available. e> Yes. This seems to me a good and realistic approach. Use either the HTML or the TCL format. HTML is easier to view, TCL is easier to add to the database. -Don -*- From: Wolfgang R. Dick To: dwells@NRAO.EDU Cc: wdi@gp4.potsdam.ifag.de Subject: http://fits.cv.nrao.edu/www/astronomy.html Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:31:55 MET Dear Dr Wells, I would like to register my History of Astronomy pages with AstroWeb but cannot find a proper category. Would it be possible to create a new Research area of Astronomy named "History of Astronomy"? Sincerely yours Wolfgang R. Dick -- ===========Institute for Applied Geodesy, Geodetic Research Divison=========== __ _____ ____ _______ / / / ___/ / | / _____/ Name Dr. Wolfgang R. Dick / / / /__ / /| | / / ___ Phone +49 331 316-619 / / / ___/ / /_| | / / /_ / Telefax +49 331 316-602 / / / / / ___ | / /__/ / E-Mail wdi@potsdam.ifag.de /_/ /_/ /_/ |_| /______/ URL http://www.potsdam.ifag.de ================Postfach 60 08 08, D-14408 Potsdam, Germany=================== From astroweb-request Tue Mar 14 03:49:45 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA11399; Tue, 14 Mar 95 03:49:45 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503140850.AA13835@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu Cc: heck@cdsxba.u-strasbg.fr Subject: An `illicit' use of the name? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:50:09 +0100 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Am I disembarking from another planet and/or is the following known to you? AstroWebVienna: http://venus.ast.univie.ac.at/index.html I believe we might/should do something about this on the basis of the refereed papers already published. Andre. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dwells Tue Mar 14 11:41:54 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA13473; Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:41:54 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 11:40:52 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503141640.AA13465@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: Andre HECK Cc: astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu, heck@cdsxba.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Re: An `illicit' use of the name? In-Reply-To: <9503140850.AA13835@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> References: <9503140850.AA13835@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu "AH" == Andre HECK writes: AH> AstroWebVienna: http://venus.ast.univie.ac.at/index.html I agree. Albert Washüttl's use of "our" name is improper. His "Astronomical Links" [http://venus.ast.univie.ac.at/astrolinks.html] page shows that the usage is not an accident --- he knows about us. He even has a local copy (the name-sorted version, 300_KB) of the AstroWeb master database. It does not contain recent updates. In my opinion, local copies of our database should not be provided anywhere unless they are updated automatically by daemons, and a simple name-sorted version with 1000+ records in 300_KB is very bad practice. AH> I believe we might/should do something about this on the basis of the AH> refereed papers already published. I agree. Should we simply ask him to stop using our name, and perhaps also to remove our database from his server, or should we invite him to join us and install an update daemon? As far as I can see, he has found few if any new records himself, has no new categories and no new tools. Do any of you, Hans-Martin perhaps, know him? -Don From astroweb-request Wed Mar 15 02:56:42 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15014; Wed, 15 Mar 95 02:56:42 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:56:26 +0100 To: dwells@fits.cv.nrao.edu (Don Wells) From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Re: An `illicit' use of the name? Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu >I agree. Should we simply ask him to stop using our name, and perhaps >also to remove our database from his server, or should we invite him >to join us and install an update daemon? As far as I can see, he has >found few if any new records himself, has no new categories and no new >tools. Do any of you, Hans-Martin perhaps, know him? I do not know him personally. I suspect him to be an enthusiastic, well-meaning youngster and I have asked Rudi Albrecht, who does not know him either, to smooth out the problem the AUstrian way. Cheers Hans-Martin From www_server Fri Mar 17 07:20:39 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA24976; Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:20:39 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:20:34 EST From: www_server@fits.cv.nrao.edu (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9503171220.AA24967@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, mnaumann@eso.org Subject: Corrections for two Muenster URLs Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Message entered by: Michael Naumann @ ac2.hq.eso.org [134.171.10.112] Dear Weaver, please change http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/astro-im-aim/aim-forschung/mrsp-overview/mrsp-overview.html to http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/mrsp-overview/ and http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/astro-im-aim/aim-forschung/red-survey/red-survey.html#head to http://aquila.uni-muenster.de/red-survey/ Kind regards. Michael Naumann From astroweb-request Fri Mar 17 14:30:00 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA25737; Fri, 17 Mar 95 14:30:00 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 14:31:36 -0500 From: basu@sol.pa.msu.edu (Shantanu Basu) Message-Id: <9503171931.AA01573@ sol.pa.msu.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: personal Web page Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Hi, I would like to add my name to the personal Web page database. Following is the necessary information: URL of personal page: http://www.pa.msu.edu/~basu/ Family name, First name: BASU, Shantanu Institution: Mich.St.Univ. e-mail: basu@msupa.pa.msu.edu Thank you very much. Shantanu Basu From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 06:19:18 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA03825; Mon, 20 Mar 95 06:19:18 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503201118.AA01693@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> From: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio Paoli) Subject: Copyrigth/Funding in the WWW-VL... To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 8:18:55 SAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Hi, This e-mail is only per inform you about the discussion respect Copyrigth and Funding in the WWW-Virtual Library. The discussion begin with one mail in the list which join all the maintainers (similarly to AstroWeb list...) from the Museum's maintainer. "I am seeking funding for this set of pages, since I currently maintain them on a voluntary basis. Is any central WWW Virtual Library funding planned? I think it would be worth trying to obtain US / EU / other international funding for the Virtual Library and distributing this to WWW VL sites in some way. Would this be possible? Comments and discussion welcome!" Now, there are an interesting discussion about this topic in the list. I've set up a WWW page with the mails from the list in URL: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/www-vlib/index.html Please take a look of this messages and give your opinions. This is a very important topic, and I need opinions from the AstroWeb people, because my pages are generated from from the AstroWen Database and not only from my personal work... Please reply, Sergio ;-) -- +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Sergio A. Paoli : Paseo del Bosque s/n : : Department of Spectroscopy : (1900) La Plata : : Astronomical Observatory : Argentina : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Phones +54 21 21-7308 : : +54 21 3-8810 : : Fax +54 21 21-1761 : : e-mail: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar : : WWW: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 09:44:17 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA04099; Mon, 20 Mar 95 09:44:17 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:45:22 +0200 (CET) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950320154522.11843@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu In order to share the effort of adding new URLs, I have divided the HTML files in VL/LaPlata into 8 groups having about the same amount of URLs to be added. A volunteer should take care of each group (there are already 3 names assigned). Group Resp. Filename in VL/LaPlata ----- -------- ------------------------------------- 1 D.Egret databases.html D.Egret libraries.html 2 D.Wells observatories.html (sects. Radio and Optical) 3 observatories.html (sects. Space, Solar, Cosmic, Gamma rays and Neutrinos and Other indexes) 4 D.Ponz departments-and-groups-america.html departments-and-groups-asia.html departments-and-groups-australia.html departments-and-groups-canada.html departments-and-groups-europe.html departments-and-groups-usa.html nasa.html 5 mailinglists.html miscellaneous.html newsgroups.html 6 other-lists.html 7 publications.html 8 software.html educational.html ------------------------------------------------------ - Pointers to the master version of these source pages are in http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/astro-old.html each of the 'filenames' above can be found as http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ - Valid categories are the ones currently defined in AstroWeb and the two new proposed categories: Education and History. - On the format, Don Wells writes > Use either the HTML or the TCL format. HTML is easier to view, TCL is > easier to add to the database. If Bob has nothing against, I would prefer HTML with the same layout as in file newmaster.html. Otherwise, Bob, please let us know the proposed TCL format. - We should start the addition of new URLs in about a week, once Sergio has finished the revision of his pages. He will tell us when the files are ready. In the mean time we should decide the format and the assignment of the different groups. Any comments? Daniel Ponz From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 09:47:57 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA04119; Mon, 20 Mar 95 09:47:57 EST Return-Path: From: fmurtagh@eso.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 15:47:21 +0100 Message-Id: <9503201447.AA13284@st2.hq.eso.org> To: JDP@vilspa.esa.es Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu I'll volunteer for software and educational. Let me know where the files are. Prefer HTML. Fionn From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 10:04:19 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA04166; Mon, 20 Mar 95 10:04:19 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503201503.AA04426@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> From: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio Paoli) Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata To: JDP@vilspa.esa.es Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 12:03:34 SAT Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU In-Reply-To: <950320154522.11843@vilspa.esa.es>; from "Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS" at Mar 20, 95 3:45 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu I'll volunteer for group number 5 ... > > 5 mailinglists.html > miscellaneous.html > newsgroups.html > > > > - On the format, Don Wells writes > > Use either the HTML or the TCL format. HTML is easier to view, TCL is > > easier to add to the database. > > If Bob has nothing against, I would prefer HTML with the same layout as in > file newmaster.html. I prefer HTML, too. (Sorry, I don't know the Tcl language...) Sergio ;-) -- +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Sergio A. Paoli : Paseo del Bosque s/n : : Department of Spectroscopy : (1900) La Plata : : Astronomical Observatory : Argentina : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Phones +54 21 21-7308 : : +54 21 3-8810 : : Fax +54 21 21-1761 : : e-mail: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar : : WWW: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 10:23:59 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA04240; Mon, 20 Mar 95 10:23:59 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:25:48 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Ok. I take no 7, publications.html Hans-Martin >In order to share the effort of adding new URLs, I have divided the HTML >files in VL/LaPlata into 8 groups having about the same amount of URLs to >be added. A volunteer should take care of each group (there are already 3 >names assigned). > >Group Resp. Filename in VL/LaPlata >----- -------- ------------------------------------- > 1 D.Egret databases.html > D.Egret libraries.html > > 2 D.Wells observatories.html > (sects. Radio and Optical) > > 3 observatories.html > (sects. Space, Solar, Cosmic, > Gamma rays and Neutrinos and > Other indexes) > > 4 D.Ponz departments-and-groups-america.html > departments-and-groups-asia.html > departments-and-groups-australia.html > departments-and-groups-canada.html > departments-and-groups-europe.html > departments-and-groups-usa.html > nasa.html > > 5 mailinglists.html > miscellaneous.html > newsgroups.html > > 6 other-lists.html > > 7 publications.html > > 8 software.html > educational.html >------------------------------------------------------ > >- Pointers to the master version of these source pages are in > http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/astro-old.html > each of the 'filenames' above can be found as > http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ > >- Valid categories are the ones currently defined in AstroWeb and the > two new proposed categories: Education and History. > >- On the format, Don Wells writes > > Use either the HTML or the TCL format. HTML is easier to view, TCL is > > easier to add to the database. > > If Bob has nothing against, I would prefer HTML with the same layout as in > file newmaster.html. > Otherwise, Bob, please let us know the proposed TCL format. > >- We should start the addition of new URLs in about a week, once Sergio has > finished the revision of his pages. He will tell us when the files are ready. > In the mean time we should decide the format and the assignment of the > different groups. > > Any comments? > >Daniel Ponz From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 11:51:43 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA06393; Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:51:43 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 11:51:33 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503201651.AA25416@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: back again Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu I just got back from a week's vacation and am wading through 9 Meg of Email, etc. Will read the AstroWeb stuff soonest. Tanned and rested, Bob From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 17:02:03 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA07255; Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:02:03 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 17:01:55 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503202201.AA26801@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: astrowebedit Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu I have added two new categories to astrowebedit education history Bob From astroweb-request Mon Mar 20 18:26:37 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA07495; Mon, 20 Mar 95 18:26:37 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:26:18 +1000 From: anton@merlin.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9503202326.AA26455@mopoke.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu My most useful contribution will probably be in the area of astronomy departments and telescopes, so I'm happy to volunteer for that. However it's worth noting that currently there are two different ways of handling departments and telescopes; the first (set up by Don) consists of separating departments ('research areas') into radio/optical etc and keeping telescopes entirely alphabetical; the second method (implemented when I set up my list) is to list departments alphabetically by country and only separate the actual telescope sites into radio/optical/etc. Daniel (Ponz), I'm not sure which of these two categorizations the La Plata list is currently closer to. ?. It seems to me that originally it was based on the second; in any case I certainly wouldn't mind sharing the maintenance load for the 'departments' category. It will probably be worth discussing the load distribution for the 'observatories' (is this the same category as 'telescopes'???) and 'department' categories further between yourself, Don and myself. I suspect we could share these euqally. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Tue Mar 21 07:34:10 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09522; Tue, 21 Mar 95 07:34:10 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:35:20 +0200 (CET) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950321133520.12068@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Anton writes > ... I'm not sure which of these two categorizations the La Plata > list is currently closer to. ?. Sergio uses the second approach: he lists departments by country and separates telescope sites into radio, optical, and so on. However, this is not the issue: this (or other) scheme can be implemented in the local version of dtsplit procedure, as long as keywords are properly associated to URLs. > ... It will probably be worth discussing the load >distribution for the 'observatories' (is this the same category as >'telescopes'???) and 'department' categories further between yourself, Don >and myself. I suspect we could share these equally. Observatories include URLs ranging from main facilities, like La Silla, to concrete telescopes, like Nordic Optical Telescope (NOT) in La Palma. We could share the load in the files observatories.html and departments-and-groups-*.html, as follows: (Don) observatories.html (section Radio) departments-and-groups-usa.html departments-and-groups-canada.html nasa.html (Anton) observatories.html (section Optical) departments-and-groups-asia.html departments-and-groups-australia.html (Daniel.P.) observatories.html (other sections) departments-and-groups-europe.html departments-and-groups-(latin-)america.html If we agree on this distribution, we have only group 6 (other-lists.html) that could be assigned to Andre Heck, so that Bob could review all the additions... Daniel Ponz From astroweb-request Tue Mar 21 10:14:41 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09791; Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:14:41 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 10:14:27 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503211514.AA03809@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: file format Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu On the subject of what file format to use for entering changes: The AstroWeb database can be viewed in several file formats. 1. The underlying Tcl version: ... set longtitle(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html) { Astrophysics Data System Abstract Service } set category(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html) { abstracts } set owner(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html) { ads@cuads.colorado.edu } set shorttitle(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html) { ADS Abstracts } set description(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html) { The Astrophysics Data System (ADS) Abstract Service provides access to currently about 160,000 Astronomy and Astrophysics abstracts with a sophisticated searching system. Using Lynx, this now also provides access to this service from character based terminals. The search capability now also includes object name searches through a connection to the SIMBAD database in France. More information about this service is available in the Abstract Service Help Pages . } ... 2. The HTML version of the Tcl: HTML Version of AstroWeb Database

HTML Version of AstroWeb Database

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Astrophysics Data System Abstract Service ( ADS Abstracts )
The Astrophysics Data System (ADS) Abstract Service provides access to currently about 160,000 Astronomy and Astrophysics abstracts with a sophisticated searching system. Using Lynx, this now also provides access to this service from character based terminals. The search capability now also includes object name searches through a connection to the SIMBAD database in France. More information about this service is available in the Abstract Service Help Pages .
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3. The Astrowebedit version: ... url: { http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html } longtitle: { Astrophysics Data System Abstract Service } category: { abstracts } owner: { ads@cuads.colorado.edu } shorttitle: { ADS Abstracts } description: { The <A HREF="http://adswww.harvard.edu/"> Astrophysics Data System </A> (ADS) Abstract Service provides access to currently about 160,000 Astronomy and Astrophysics abstracts with a sophisticated searching system. Using Lynx, this now also provides access to this service from character based terminals. The search capability now also includes object name searches through a connection to the <A HREF="http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/Simbad.html">SIMBAD</A> database in France. More information about this service is available in the <A HREF="http://adswww.harvard.edu/abs_doc/abs_help.html"> Abstract Service Help Pages </A>. } ... I suspect the Astrowebedit format is the most user friendly, but opinions may differ. I would prefer the Astrowebedit format, but I can find/rewrite tools to process the other two formats. Bob From astroweb-request Tue Mar 21 18:17:19 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA11763; Tue, 21 Mar 95 18:17:19 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:16:52 +1000 From: anton@merlin.anu.edu.au (anton koekemoer) Message-Id: <9503212316.AA02548@mopoke.anu.edu.au> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Daniel P. writes: > (Don) observatories.html (section Radio) > departments-and-groups-usa.html > departments-and-groups-canada.html > nasa.html > > (Anton) observatories.html (section Optical) > departments-and-groups-asia.html > departments-and-groups-australia.html > > (Daniel.P.) observatories.html (other sections) > departments-and-groups-europe.html > departments-and-groups-(latin-)america.html > ... That's fine with me. Re: formats, here's my 2-cents worth. What is the actual proposed strategy here? - ie do we edit the above files, then at a single point in time merge them together into a single database? Or will we just individually add entries directly into the main database? If we are to edit the above files, then my personal preference for manually editing database entries is to use the "AstrowebEdit"-format, which is substantially easier to use (and check for errors) than either the raw tcl or html formats. However, I suspect this to be a matter of personal preference, and probably a useful thing would be if Bob could give us a self-contained script which one could run on a local machine to translate an HTML database file -> AstrowebEdit format, for those of us who prefer this format. Maybe also a script to do the reverse would be useful. cheers, - anton. From astroweb-request Wed Mar 22 11:45:30 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA14685; Wed, 22 Mar 95 11:45:30 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 17:46:40 +0200 (CET) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950322174640.11990@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Anton writes > ... do we edit the above files, then at a single point in time merge >them together into a single database? Or will we just individually add entries >directly into the main database? The first approach , i.e., manual editing of the files, is probably better. >If we are to edit the above files, then my personal preference for manually >editing database entries is to use the "AstrowebEdit"-format, ... I agree, but (Bob) we need a tool to convert "AstrowebEdit"-format into HTML. Now a question. There are two fields in AstroWeb, that are not available in VL/LaPlata, namely 'owner' and 'description'. Do you have suggestions on how to handle these fields? Can these fields be left empty for (some) entries in "AstroWebEdit"-format? Daniel P. From astroweb-request Wed Mar 22 12:20:09 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA14854; Wed, 22 Mar 95 12:20:09 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503221719.AA00450@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> From: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio Paoli) Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:19:37 SAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Daniel writes > Now a question. There are two fields in AstroWeb, that are not available > in VL/LaPlata, namely 'owner' and 'description'. Do you have suggestions on > how to handle these fields? Can these fields be left empty for (some) > entries in "AstroWebEdit"-format? > One possibility is put the maintainer or webmaster's address of each page. It's easy, only looking in the corresponding page... IMHO one interesting caracteristic of the AstroWeb is the small explanation for each link... Sergio ;-) -- +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Sergio A. Paoli : Paseo del Bosque s/n : : Department of Spectroscopy : (1900) La Plata : : Astronomical Observatory : Argentina : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Phones +54 21 21-7308 : : +54 21 3-8810 : : Fax +54 21 21-1761 : : e-mail: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar : : WWW: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ From astroweb-request Wed Mar 22 13:45:51 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15108; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:45:51 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:45:40 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503221845.AA09496@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: File Conversion Tools Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu http://anarky.stsci.edu/astroweb/ conversion-proc.tcl html-to-tcl tcl-to-html edit-to-tcl tcl-to-edit Allows one to convert between HTML Tcl Edit formats. Bob From dwells Wed Mar 22 13:56:04 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15237; Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:56:04 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 13:56:02 EST From: dwells (Don Wells) Message-Id: <9503221856.AA15231@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu From astroweb-request Wed Mar 22 14:04:07 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15326; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:04:07 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:03:59 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503221903.AA09569@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Categorizations... Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu w.r.t. Categories I may be misunderstanding some of the discussion about Telescopes and Departments, but ... The Category field can have 1 or more values. The first value is the 'primary' one. How people divide them up into files is open. At STScI, I have one file for each category and if a resource has that category, either primary or secondard, it appears in that file. Other people may want to have each resource appear in only one file. But that is a matter of taste. ********************************************************* w.r.t. how to do merge the databases 1. Use the Astrowebedit facility to make a local copy of the database. 2. Use the format conversion tools or editor or whatever to put the new records in Edit format. 3. Append the new records at the end of the local copy. 4. Open local on the local copy and see if it loads. Bob From astroweb-request Wed Mar 22 14:06:45 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15352; Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:06:45 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 14:06:36 EST From: Bob Jackson Message-Id: <9503221906.AA09586@MARIAN.STSCI.EDU> To: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU In-Reply-To: <9503221719.AA00450@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> (spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar) Subject: Re: Merging AstroWeb and CERN VL/LaPlata Reply-To: jackson@stsci.edu Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu w.r.t. > Now a question. There are two fields in AstroWeb, that are not available > in VL/LaPlata, namely 'owner' and 'description'. Do you have suggestions on > how to handle these fields? Can these fields be left empty for (some) > entries in "AstroWebEdit"-format? > One possibility is put the maintainer or webmaster's address of each page. It's easy, only looking in the corresponding page... IMHO one interesting caracteristic of the AstroWeb is the small explanation for each link... ********************************************* If there is no data for owner or description, then they should be omitted. From www_server Mon Mar 27 19:17:38 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA02956; Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:17:38 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 19:17:33 EST From: www_server@fits.cv.nrao.edu (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9503280017.AA02947@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, brainerd@ssl.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: Marshall Space Flight Center Home Page Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Message entered by: Jim Brainerd @ jethro.msfc.nasa.gov [128.158.130.53] The pointer you have to the Marshall home page is actually an old, temporary page at Goddard Space Flight Center. The current home page for Marshall is at http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/ Regards, Jim Brainerd From astroweb-request Tue Mar 28 05:04:01 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA03700; Tue, 28 Mar 95 05:04:01 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:02:16 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: Mike Bursell (by way of adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf)) Subject: YERAC 95 Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu YERAC 95 As you maintain a list of astronomy resources on the Worldwide Web, I thought you might be interested in YERAC 95, an experimental project from Cambridge University Press. YERAC 95 is the set of proceedings of the Young European Radio Astronomers Conference that took place last year in Cambridge at Mullard Radio Astronomy Observatory. The papers are available in two forms - postscript or HTML. The HTML documents include inline images for any mathematics that appear in the papers. The papers also include 256 colour images, where appropriate, linked from 'thumb-nail' sketches that allow the reader to preview the images before deciding whether to download them. We have tried to make YERAC 95 easy to navigate around, and there are links throughout in a consistent form. There is also a 'Navigation' page, which explains to the user how the papers are laid out within YERAC 95. From the 'Contributions' page, the titles of papers are linked to abstracts, from which the reader is free to proceed to the full paper, thus avoiding having to wait for downloads of papers which are not of interest. If you would like to do so, we would very much encourage you to put up a link or links from your page to YERAC 95. Load on the server is currently high, and it is worth noting that best results for users from America may well be in the afternoon, when European load will have dwindled. The URL of YERAC 95 is: http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk/onlinepubs/YERAC/YERACtop.html Cambridge University Press can be found at: http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk If you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me. Yours, Mike Bursell Cambridge University Press. http://www.cup.cam.ac.uk Mike Bursell's public key is available at: http://tabland.cup.cam.ac.uk/Personal/PGPblock.html From astroweb-request Tue Mar 28 05:06:29 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA03949; Tue, 28 Mar 95 05:06:29 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:04:31 +0100 To: Mike Bursell From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Re: YERAC 95 Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Dear Mike Bursell, thanks for the info about YERAC 95. We are certainly willing to include a reference to your web-site. The easiest us would be if you could submit an entry yourself using the submission mechanism in place and accessible from any AstroWeb site. Best regards Hans-Martin Adorf From astroweb-request Wed Mar 29 01:55:31 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA06997; Wed, 29 Mar 95 01:55:31 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <199503290655.AA10966@teal.csn.org> X-Sender: jls2@teal.csn.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 23:54:09 -0700 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: jls2@bearclan.com (Jeff L. Stoner) Subject: Astroweb addition X-Mailer: Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Sirs/Madams: Please add the following to the AstroWeb pages. Home Page for Global Network of Astronomical Telescopes (GNAT) http://www.csn.net/~jls2/gnat/ Thank you! --Jeff Stoner ====== Jeff L. Stoner === Tucson, Arizona, USA ====== /\ = /\ ========== | /\ / \ / /\ /\ --*-- jls2 @ bearclan.com /\/ \/ / / \/ /\ | http://www.csn.net/~jls2/ /\/ \ \ /\ / \ / /\ ============================================================================ "Welcome to the Earth, Third Rock from the Sun..." -- Joe Diffie ============================================================================ From www_server Wed Mar 29 12:09:58 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09010; Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:09:58 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 12:09:53 EST From: www_server@fits.cv.nrao.edu (httpd@fits.cv.nrao.edu) Message-Id: <9503291709.AA08997@fits.cv.nrao.edu> To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, wwwadmin@uni-sw.gwdg.de Subject: Preprints available Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Message entered by: Boris Gaensicke @ eden.uni-sw.gwdg.de [134.76.205.201] Gentlemen, we have now overcome the "experimental" state of our preprint server of the Universitäts-Sternwarte Göttingen. Could you please include the link http://www.uni-sw.gwdg.de/preprints/preprints.html in the list Astron. & Astrop. Preprints ? Thanks, Boris Gaensicke From astroweb-request Wed Mar 29 13:19:32 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA09160; Wed, 29 Mar 95 13:19:32 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:19:29 +0300 (CET-DST) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950329201929.1b79@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Starting the merge Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Dear colleages, For your information, Sergio has completed the revision of the URLs in VL/LaPlata. So... we can start now the generation of the files in the agreed 'Astrowebedit' format. As already discussed, the workload can be distributed as follows: Resp. Filenames -------- ------------------------------------- Daniel E. databases.html libraries.html Don observatories.html (section: Radio) departments-and-groups-canada.html departments-and-groups-usa.html nasa.html Anton observatories.html (section: Optical) departments-and-groups-asia.html departments-and-groups-australia.html Daniel P. observatories.html (sections: Space, High_energy, Solar) departments-and-groups-europe.html departments-and-groups-america.html Sergio mailinglists.html miscellaneous.html newsgroups.html Andre other-lists.html Hans-Martin publications.html Fionn software.html educational.html ------------------------------------------------------ - Pointers to the master version of these source pages are in http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/astro-old.html and each of the 'filenames' above can be found in http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ - Valid categories are the ones currently defined in AstroWeb and the two new proposed categories: Education and History. - After testing, using the procedures given by Bob, the files (in Astrowebedit form) should be sent to him for final review and merging with the AstroWeb database. Is this OK? Regards, Daniel Ponz From astroweb-request Thu Mar 30 05:02:50 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA11113; Thu, 30 Mar 95 05:02:50 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503301002.AA17034@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr> To: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS Cc: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Subject: Re: Starting the merge In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:19:29 +0300 (CET-DST) . Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:02:17 +0200 From: egret@SIMBAD.u-strasbg.fr X-Mts: smtp Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Daniel, That's OK with me. I am just a little disappointed, because what I get is "all URLs", while I was expecting only "New URLs" (with respect to AstroWeb). Well, courage, I suppose that these New URLs are only a bunch of "grep", "awk" and "diff" away... Daniel Egret PS: Daniel, see you in Strasbourg next week ? From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 02:57:17 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15252; Fri, 31 Mar 95 02:57:17 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 9:57:08 +0300 (CET-DST) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950331095708.2ea6@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Re: Starting the merge Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Daniel Egret writes: > That's OK with me. I am just a little disappointed, because > what I get is "all URLs", while I was expecting only "New URLs" > (with respect to AstroWeb). > Well, courage, I suppose that these New URLs are only a bunch of "grep", > "awk" and "diff" away... I have used a (public domain) perl script that extracts URLs from an (HTML) file. Sort and diff will do the rest. > PS: Daniel, see you in Strasbourg next week ? Yes. We could discuss these and other web issues. In concrete, we could start thinking about adding a simple copyright statement to the AstroWeb, so that we avoid problems in the future. Perhaps you have already discussed this matter in the past... Regards, Daniel Ponz From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 04:19:39 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15354; Fri, 31 Mar 95 04:19:39 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:17:34 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU, hanisch@stsci.edu (Bob Hanisch) From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Paul Ginsparg Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu ... has been awarded a grant worth 1 Million $(US) to further develop his electronic preprint archive. See Nature 23. March 95 -hma From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 05:14:07 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA15921; Fri, 31 Mar 95 05:14:07 EST Return-Path: X-Sender: hmadorf@ns3.hq.eso.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:12:01 +0100 To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU From: adorf@eso.org (Hans-Martin Adorf) Subject: Time magazine cover story 6. March 95 Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu COVER SCIENCE UNRAVELING UNIVERSE Is the cosmos younger than the stars it contains? Was Einstein's biggest blunder not a mistake? Here's why cosmology is in chaos BY MICHAEL D. LEMONICK AND J. MADELEINE NASH Tod Lauer is starting to feel more than a little fed up with his fellow astronomers. ... http://www.timeinc.com/time/magazine/domestic/1995/950306/950306.cover.html From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 09:41:12 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA17041; Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:41:12 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503311440.AA22059@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar> From: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio Paoli) Subject: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/DataSources/bySubject/astro/astro.html (fwd) To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:40:52 SAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Hi, I've received this e-mail today. Please give your opinions. Really the e-mail is in reference to my pages, but would be interesting for the AstroWeb Consortium... Sergio ;-) > > I appreciate the work you've done to make the Internet more accessible, > especially through your web page (full URL shown in the Subject line). > I'd like to extend your reach even further by providing a unique mirror > to your site: including that page on an upcoming CD-ROM we are producing. > It will help more people to find out about you, and provide a simple > way for them to get to the current on-line version of your web page. > > This CD will do much more than provide pointers to interesting WWW sites. > Among its unique features will be the inclusion of certain, notable web > pages for immediate, local access. This will help people find the sites > that truly meet their needs faster, as well as allowing people to sample > the offerings of the Internet even before getting physically connected. > > Anyway, I would like to include your page. To duplicate its appearance > and function as closely as possible, I'd also like to include local inline > images and references that your page contains, as long as they're on the > same server (I won't assume you can grant me permission beyond that unless > you specifically say you can). > > Normally, directory publishers just grab references or set off robots > to browse the Net. I'm trying to add more value to this CD, and give > you credit for the work that you've done. So I will not include your > page unless I receive your permission. You can simply reply to this mail > saying 'OK' or send back any other comments or suggestions you might have. > > Thank you! > Eric Baller -- +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Sergio A. Paoli : Paseo del Bosque s/n : : Department of Spectroscopy : (1900) La Plata : : Astronomical Observatory : Argentina : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ : Phones +54 21 21-7308 : : +54 21 3-8810 : : Fax +54 21 21-1761 : : e-mail: spaoli@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar : : WWW: http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/~spaoli/ : +-----------------------------------------+------------------------------+ From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 09:54:22 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA17093; Fri, 31 Mar 95 09:54:22 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503311454.AA20345@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu Cc: heck@cdsxba.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Sergio's mail (CR-ROM) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 16:54:45 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu 1. The CD-ROM is a frozen repository. At a time we are going at full steam towards cableless connectivity to permanently updated resources, many people did not understand yet that the future/fashion of this medium is going to be rather limited. 2. It would be interesting to know whether this CD-ROM will be a commercial product and whether this gentleman is going to make money even by crediting Paolo/AstroWeb for the work carried out so far ... AH. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 10:25:07 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA17162; Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:25:07 EST Return-Path: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 17:25:02 +0300 (CET-DST) From: Jose Daniel Ponz VILSPA/VCS To: astroweb@NRAO.EDU Message-Id: <950331172502.2ea6@vilspa.esa.es> Subject: Re: Sergio's mail (CD-ROM) Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu A.H. writes > It would be interesting to know whether this CD-ROM will be a > commercial product and whether this gentleman is going to make > money even by crediting Paolo/AstroWeb for the work carried out > so far ... The question of adding a simple copyright statement to AstroWeb should be considered in this context. D.P. From astroweb-request Fri Mar 31 10:31:54 1995 Received: by fits.cv.nrao.edu (4.1/DDN-CV/1.8) id AA17184; Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:31:54 EST Return-Path: Message-Id: <9503311532.AA21300@cdsxb6.u-strasbg.fr> To: astroweb@fits.cv.nrao.edu Cc: heck@cdsxba.u-strasbg.fr Subject: Copyright Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 17:32:30 +0200 From: Andre HECK Sender: astroweb-request@fits.cv.nrao.edu Very interesting issue, Daniel. I intended to talk about this at the WAW conference next week. So far, I am afraid however that such a mention would not protect anything, stricto sensu. AH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------