From owner-fitsbits Thu Jan 15 15:03:41 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04783 for fitsbits-spinner; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:03:41 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04780 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:03:37 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id PAA08893 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04769 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:02:28 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id PAA08884 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03418; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:02:25 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:54:23 -0500 From: Doug Mink Message-ID: <34BE696F.46ECBB0A at cfa.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard University University Information Systems Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news Subject: SAOimage 1.21 FITS and IRAF image display released Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk SAOimage 1.21, which displays FITS and IRAF .imh images in the X11 window environment, has just been released. The major changes since version 1.20 include adding the ability to read .imh files written by IRAF 2.11 as well as FITS files and .imh files written by earlier versions of IRAF. It should be capable of reading .imh files independent of the architecture of the machines on which the images were written or are being displayed. A bug which kept Digitized Sky Survey WCS coordinates from being precessed from J2000 to B1950 has also been fixed. Problems using the most recent versions as IRAF imtools have been fixed as well. DATE-OBS is now accepted in the new FITS standard ccyy-mm-dd as well as the old dd/mm/yy format, although this is only used to compute the epoch used in converting between J2000 and B1950 coordinates. Online documentation can be found at http://tdc-www.harvard.edu/software/saoimage.html and source code and binary executables for Solaris, SunOS, and Digital Unix can be found at ftp://cfa-ftp.harvard.edu/pub/gsc/SAOimage/ -Doug Mink Telescope Data Center Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Cambridge, Massachusetts USA From owner-fitsbits Mon Jan 26 09:44:35 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA31846 for fitsbits-spinner; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:44:35 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31843 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:44:30 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id JAA21810 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA30823 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:32:45 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id EAA21571 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA32756; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:32:43 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:14:06 +0100 From: Philippe Martinole Message-ID: <34CC53DE.78D5 at clr40ae.edf.fr> Organization: BBCAM/ANAP/AUDE/SAF Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!eerie.fr!jussieu.fr!news.edf.fr!not-for-mail References: <6agbdo$4ip$1 at news2.isdnet.net> Subject: Re: FitsAnimator Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk CcdBazar wrote: > > FitsAnimator is a freeware that converts your > Fits images directly to animated Gif !!! > http://wwwperso.hol.fr/~pbuttani/ccdbazar/ > > Philippe. I'm the programmer of the freeware Fits Animator. It's very kind of my friend Philippe to speak of Fits Animator in this ng but some things have to be said. Fits Animator loads images in three formats : - The Cpa used by the PAP - The Pic used by Qmips32 - The Fits format With the Pic and the Cpa, there is no problem because the thresholds choosen by the observer are saved in the file with the image. With most Fits Images, you can adjust the thresholds in Fits Animator but it will be less user friendly. The french programs for amateurs (PAP,Qmips32 and AIM) use the keywords THRESH and THRESL in Fits files to save the thresholds. Hope Fits Animator will be usefull. Philippe Ccd Bazar : http://wwwperso.hol.fr/~pbuttani/ccdbazar/index.html Pises Atlas - Prism 97 : http://pages.pratique.fr/~ccavador/ Page Web d'AIM : http://www.micronet.fr/~phmarty/ From owner-fitsbits Mon Jan 26 09:44:03 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA31841 for fitsbits-spinner; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:44:03 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31835 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:44:00 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id JAA21806 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:43:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27993 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:39:15 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id QAA21251 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA32564; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:39:12 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:38:05 +0100 From: "CcdBazar" Message-ID: <6agbdo$4ip$1 at news2.isdnet.net> Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fci-se!fci!news1.isdnet.net!usenet Subject: FitsAnimator Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk FitsAnimator is a freeware that converts your Fits images directly to animated Gif !!! http://wwwperso.hol.fr/~pbuttani/ccdbazar/ Philippe. From owner-fitsbits Thu Jan 29 11:13:16 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16163 for fitsbits-spinner; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:13:16 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16160 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:13:12 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id LAA26518 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12620 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:00:31 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id UAA25968 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23886; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:00:25 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:45:42 +0000 From: Damien Message-ID: <34CFB516.6AD763F0 at ulst.ac.uk> Organization: Ulster University Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!btnet-peer!btnet!server2.netnews.ja.net!judge.ulst.ac.uk!cwis.ulst.ac.uk!news Subject: AML, a new format for astronomy based on SGML Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk The main goal of FITS was to provide a standard exchange format for astronomy. With some advantages, especially its flexibility, it really became used by everybody in astronomy. However, it is still limited to some data, and is completly ignoring (as far as I know) astronomical articles or data on single astronomical objects (amongst many other). Also, it has become a bit outdated as an exchange format (strange 80 characters lines in the header, no structure, ...) This is why I started the creation of a new exchange format for astronomy, within my thesis on information retrieval in astronomy. It is based on SGML and as such is much more flexible, readable by any SGML/XML browser/parser, and is appropriate to the web. AML is now supporting 4 astronomical data types, but is in no way restrictive: astronomical objects, articles, tables and images. Because only characters may be used in SGML, and because it is easier to manage metadata this way, the big binary files (such as tables or images) are external to the AML files, and are referenced in AML as images are referenced in HTML. I began the creation of an AML browser on the web (a Java applet), so that anyone can easily read these files. There are of course some interactions between FITS and AML, especially for astronomical images: as everybody is now using FITS, the translation in the two directions must be easy. To enable an easy translation, I just copied the FITS keywords and put them into AML in an SGML-way. However, some improvements may be easy to do on that basis, such as classifying FITS header information (on the image, on the observations, and so on). As I hope AML could become a standard format, I cannot define it alone, and I'm now looking for people interested in its definition. Maybe it could be seen not as a rival, but as a new version of FITS... More information on AML is available at: http://www.infm.ulst.ac.uk/~damien/these/ Damien Guillaume From owner-fitsbits Thu Jan 29 11:16:12 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16184 for fitsbits-spinner; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:12 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16181 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:08 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id LAA26525 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14727 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:18:14 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id EAA26218 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA16011; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:18:09 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:17:58 +0000 From: Peter Bunclark Message-ID: <34D04946.1808 at ast.cam.ac.uk> Organization: Royal Greenwich Observatory Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail References: <34CFB516.6AD763F0 at ulst.ac.uk> Subject: Re: AML, a new format for astronomy based on SGML Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk You can't replace FITS unless you do handle large binary images. Perhaps you could use FITS as your image format, which would be referenced from AML. Peter. Damien wrote: > > The main goal of FITS was to provide a standard exchange format > for astronomy. With some advantages, especially its flexibility, > it really became used by everybody in astronomy. > However, it is still limited to some data, and is > completly ignoring (as far as I know) astronomical articles or > data on single astronomical objects (amongst many other). > Also, it has become a bit outdated as an exchange format (strange > 80 characters lines in the header, no structure, ...) > > This is why I started the creation of a new exchange format > for astronomy, within my thesis on information retrieval in > astronomy. It is based on SGML and as such is much more flexible, > readable by any SGML/XML browser/parser, and is appropriate > to the web. > AML is now supporting 4 astronomical data types, but is in > no way restrictive: astronomical objects, articles, tables > and images. Because only characters may be used in SGML, > and because it is easier to manage metadata this way, the big binary > files (such as tables or images) are external to the AML files, > and are referenced in AML as images are referenced in HTML. > I began the creation of an AML browser on the web (a Java applet), > so that anyone can easily read these files. > > There are of course some interactions between FITS and AML, > especially for astronomical images: as everybody is now using > FITS, the translation in the two directions must be easy. > To enable an easy translation, I just copied the FITS keywords > and put them into AML in an SGML-way. However, some improvements > may be easy to do on that basis, such as classifying FITS > header information (on the image, on the observations, and so on). > > As I hope AML could become a standard format, I cannot > define it alone, and I'm now looking for people interested in > its definition. Maybe it could be seen not as a rival, but as > a new version of FITS... > > More information on AML is available at: > http://www.infm.ulst.ac.uk/~damien/these/ > > Damien Guillaume From owner-fitsbits Thu Jan 29 16:44:46 1998 Received: (from majordom at localhost) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17519 for fitsbits-spinner; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:44:46 -0500 Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17516 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:44:43 -0500 Received: (from dwells at localhost) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) id QAA26830 for fitsbits at majordomo.cv.nrao.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fits.cv.nrao.edu (fits.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.8]) by marmoset.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17420 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:21:10 -0500 Received: from newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu [192.33.115.17]) by fits.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0/CV-2.2) with ESMTP id QAA26811 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news at localhost) by newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25508; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:21:06 -0500 To: fitsbits at fits.cv.nrao.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:20:10 +0100 From: Damien GUILLAUME Message-ID: <34D0F28A.7643 at newb6.u-strasbg.fr> Organization: CRC - Universite Louis Pasteur - Strasbourg France Path: newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!univ-lyon1.fr!news.ujf-grenoble.fr!ciril.fr!u-strasbg.fr!news References: <34CFB516.6AD763F0 at ulst.ac.uk> <34D04946.1808 at ast.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: AML, a new format for astronomy based on SGML Newsgroups: sci.astro.fits Sender: owner-fitsbits at marmoset.cv.nrao.edu Precedence: bulk > You can't replace FITS unless you do handle large binary images. There's no reason why my system would not be able to handle large binary images (which is the common case in astronomy). > Perhaps you could use FITS as your image format, which would be > referenced from AML. Yes, it's exactly what I'm doing now. But the meta-information is duplicated: it is both in the AML file and in the FITS header. I can also delete the header of the FITS file, but I prefer to give the two possiblities: pointing from AML to a FITS file, or pointing only to the raw data. The risk is that someone may change the FITS file with a usual image processing program without changing the AML file accordingly. So, my software will have to check the FITS file each time it loads a corresponding AML file. But it's not really a problem: the AML files will always be used with a software, for transfert, translations or browsing. Damien